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Most disappointing Jay so far?

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Biggest disappointment so far?

Emilio "Boneface" Bonifacio
25
34%
Brandon "Leads the MLB in hits given up" Morrow
9
12%
J.P. "E2" Arencibia
9
12%
Jose "Ice" Bautista
13
18%
Adam "DFA" Lind
2
3%
Josh "So much for a contract year" Johnson
4
5%
Edwin "Curse the BABIP Gods" Encarnacion
3
4%
R.A. "Stop playing with your" Dickey
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9%
Maicer "No puedo golpear" Izturis
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3%
Munenori "Class Klown" Kawasaki
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Most disappointing Jay so far? 

Post#1 » by torontoaces04 » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:45 pm

Fair-weather/angry/frustrated fans, please use this as an outlet for your venting, not the series thread.
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Re: Who has been the most disappointing Blue Jay so far? 

Post#2 » by Fairview4Life » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:47 pm

This is tough. Some players are more disappointing, in that I had higher expectations (although, my expectations are for the full season, etc.), but other players make me significantly more angry, like Bonafacio. Then there's JPA who hits some dingers, but then is worse at catching the ball than my three year old.
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Re: Who has been the most disappointing Blue Jay so far? 

Post#3 » by kwamebargnani » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:48 pm

Some of the players on the list genuinely suck, so I can't be disappointed. If I had to pick one, Rasmus.
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Post#4 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:51 pm

It's Bonifacio. The team can't even play him in the infield anymore and don't even want to play him in the OF over Colby vs. LHP or Rajai vs. RHP because of his defense. His plate approach has also been awful (check out the JPA-like K/BB but without the power). He basically can't be used effectively outside of pinch running right now, which is kind of a waste of a roster spot (his presence also may have cost us Casper Wells).

As for the others, Colby's been the most valuable player on the team, Morrow has 2 good starts out of 4, JPA is leading the AL in HR, Lind is Lind (you can't disappoint when you are just sucking in the same way you've sucked for three years in a row), Johnson has 2 good starts out of 3, Lawrie has played only four games and has played fantastic defense (apart from that one play today), DeRosa stopped being good like four years ago, Dickey has been good so far, and Izturis hasn't been as bad as Bonifacio.
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Post#5 » by Relentless88 » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:53 pm

kwamebargnani wrote:Some of the players on the list genuinely suck, so I can't be disappointed. If I had to pick one, Rasmus.


Yeah, can't really be disappointed in scrubs like Bonifacio.

I think Encarnacion has been the most disappointing. After he carried the offense last season, he's started off really slow this season.

For the pitchers, I'll go with Morrow. Thought we'd see a more consistent Morrow after a great season last year, but he's been shaky so far.
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Post#6 » by The_Hater » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:55 pm

I'd like to pick about 7-8 of them as right now most of the roster is underachieving and the only guy that clearly wasn't is out for the next 2-3 months.

Hell, Edwin and Jose are not even on that list and they've both been terrible too.

Hitters get hot and cold over short stretches so as of right now I might pick Johnson.
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Post#7 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:55 pm

Encarnacion is probably as good a candidate as anybody for this spot, yeah. He was whiffing at everything for the first 10-11 games. He's been hitting much better over the last week, though. It's only a matter of time until his numbers climb.
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Post#8 » by Mak » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:56 pm

Hard to pick Rasmus right now as the most disappointing, his average is exactly the same as last year , while other number are much better.

For me its Brandon Morrow or Josh Johnson , lets see if Josh Johnson can do anything about this very close race against Yankees tomorrow.
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Re: Who has been the most disappointing Blue Jay so far? 

Post#9 » by Raps in 4 » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:56 pm

All of the above.
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Post#10 » by Mehar » Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:13 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:This is tough. Some players are more disappointing, in that I had higher expectations (although, my expectations are for the full season, etc.), but other players make me significantly more angry, like Bonafacio. Then there's JPA who hits some dingers, but then is worse at catching the ball than my three year old.


That is a pretty dumb comment comparing JP's catching to your three year old. Nobody cares about that, and nobody cares that you get angry. JP is nowhere near the most disappointing player on this team. "Tools" need to realize that fact.
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Post#11 » by Schad » Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:17 pm

Mehar wrote:That is a pretty dumb comment comparing JP's catching to your three year old. Nobody cares about that, and nobody cares that you get angry. JP is nowhere near the most disappointing player on this team. "Tools" need to realize that fact.


It's hyperbole. As for JP being bad at catching the ball, well, he is. Defensively, he's having a really tough start to the year.
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Re: Who has been the most disappointing Blue Jay so far? 

Post#12 » by torontoaces04 » Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:21 pm

I voted for Morrow. Expectations were high for Morrow after the amazing year that he had last year, and rightfully so. He has looked okay through a few starts, but awful during the other ones. He's got all the skill required to turn it around, and I believe that he'll put it all together. That said, as it currently stands, he's been the biggest disappointment for me.

Bonifacio would be my runner-up.
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Re: Who has been the most disappointing Blue Jay so far? 

Post#13 » by Indiana Jones » Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:30 pm

torontoaces04 wrote:Fair-weather/angry/frustrated fans, please use this as an outlet for your venting, not the series thread.


I hate this holier than thou mentality from some of the fans/posters on this board. It's like there's a competition to see who can be the most patient fan in the world. whoever refrains from criticizing the team the longest wins!! yay!!

I understand that many of you are annoyed at those who are quick to point out the flaws and disappointments of the club, but the sooner you realize that those who speak out against this team are pretty much always right the better!

At what point are we allowed to panic? When we're mathematically eliminated?

The reality is that this team has been absolutely awful from the start of the season. Everyone can see it. Sorry if we don't have the restrain that some posters have.

If you want to call us fair-weather fans, that's fine, but correspondingly we should identify those excessively patient fans as blind fans, because they're clearly blind to the debacle that is this season.
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Post#14 » by b0na f1de » Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:32 pm

Disappointing describes Brandon Morrow the most out of those. Often he doesn't use his best stuff, when it seems like he absolutely can.
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Re: Who has been the most disappointing Blue Jay so far? 

Post#15 » by Mehar » Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:41 pm

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Mehar wrote:That is a pretty dumb comment comparing JP's catching to your three year old. Nobody cares about that, and nobody cares that you get angry. JP is nowhere near the most disappointing player on this team. "Tools" need to realize that fact.


It's hyperbole. As for JP being bad at catching the ball, well, he is. Defensively, he's having a really tough start to the year.


I agree with you and i know it's hyperbole. This guy Fairview called me a "tool" last week because i said that i was against the Dickey trade; one of the reasons being because i would rather have Travis D'arnaud my catcher of the future with JP as the DH going into 2014, and had John Buck as my backup this year; because of his experience with Josh Johnson and Marh Buehrle. I would have instead signed Kyle Lohse for roughly the same money the Jays will be paying Dickey over the next three years, without having to give up my top two prospects. Now he says that JP catches a

ball like a three year old, when he was last week criticizing me as a "tool" for saying that i wanted JP as my DH for the future. I am not a fan of JP as a catcher. This organization definetly needs an another C for the future. However, Dickey has pitched real well these past two starts, so give credit to where credit is due. Travis is also injured right now, but he was tearing it up in the Spring and wish him a speedy recovery.
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Post#16 » by b0na f1de » Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:51 pm

Indiana Jones wrote:I hate this holier than thou mentality from some of the fans/posters on this board. It's like there's a competition to see who can be the most patient fan in the world. whoever refrains from criticizing the team the longest wins!! yay!!


If that's the case, many of the 'holier than thou' you mentioned lost along time ago.
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Re: Who has been the most disappointing Blue Jay so far? 

Post#17 » by Fairview4Life » Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:54 pm

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Mehar wrote:That is a pretty dumb comment comparing JP's catching to your three year old. Nobody cares about that, and nobody cares that you get angry. JP is nowhere near the most disappointing player on this team. "Tools" need to realize that fact.


It's hyperbole. As for JP being bad at catching the ball, well, he is. Defensively, he's having a really tough start to the year.


I agree with you and i know it's hyperbole. This guy Fairview called me a "tool" last week because i said that i was against the Dickey trade; one of the reasons being because i would rather have Travis D'arnaud my catcher of the future with JP as the DH going into 2014, and had John Buck as my backup this year; because of his experience with Josh Johnson and Marh Buehrle. I would have instead signed Kyle Lohse for roughly the same money the Jays will be paying Dickey over the next three years, without having to give up my top two prospects. Now he says that JP catches a

ball like a three year old, when he was last week criticizing me as a "tool" for saying that i wanted JP as my DH for the future. I am not a fan of JP as a catcher. This organization definetly needs an another C for the future. However, Dickey has pitched real well these past two starts, so give credit to where credit is due. Travis is also injured right now, but he was tearing it up in the Spring and wish him a speedy recovery.


You need to improve your reading comprehension a significant amount. I didn't call you a tool for saying JP should be our DH of the future or for criticizing the Dickey trade. You are a tool because you continuously bring up crap like this for I'd say around 50% of the threads you post in "but i did not like the trade from the beginning, unlike others who said i was crazy for not liking it.", etc. etc. etc.

Revisiting the Dickey trade in particular two starts into the season and saying things like "as I said, we should have signed Lohse and kept our prospects, I did not like the trade from the beginning..." is laughably insecure, but more importantly annoying for everyone else. You say stuff like that about all kinds of previously discussed trades or signings or whatever, both here and on the Raptors board, as if anyone gives a **** about your personal "I was right" tally.

Like I mentioned to you previously: this isn't a dick measuring contest. That is why I called you a tool. Because posting stuff like that is something that a tool does. Your desperate need for validation from anonymous internet strangers is the behaviour of someone who is a tool.
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Post#18 » by Mehar » Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:07 am

You need to improve your reading comprehension a significant amount. you continuously bring up crap like this for I'd say around 50% of the threads you post in "but i did not like the trade from the beginning, unlike others who said i was crazy for not liking it." Revisiting the Dickey trade in particular two starts into the season and saying things like "as I said, we should have signed Lohse and kept our prospects, I did not like the trade from the beginning..." is laughably insecure, but more importantly annoying for everyone else. You say stuff like that about all kinds of previously discussed trades or signings or whatever, both here and on the Raptors board, as if anyone gives a **** about your personal "I was right" tally. Like I mentioned to you previously: this isn't a dick measuring contest. That is why I called you a tool. Because posting stuff like that is something that a tool does. Your desperate need for validation from anonymous internet strangers is the behaviour of someone who is a tool.[/quote]

Hey tool, if you do not like it, do not respond tool. Keep your name out of my mouth, and do not respond to my posts. I just give my opinions on the trades that were made, and if you disagree with him, then that is your problem. You need to improve your reading comprehension as well. I was simply responding to a comment from an another poster last week. I said that it would have been better if the Jays could have kept their prospects, and signed Lohse for the long run, had John Buck for this year, because JP is not the answer to C. Now you yourself said JP throws like a three year old. I also said that i was willing to give DIckey more time, and then you

went on an angry tirade against me. I seen your posts. You are the ultimate tool out there. You are the one seeking validation from strangers with your stupid comments. Look over my post history- i never called anyone any names, always respectfully had conversations like an adult, until you came along. Here is the deal- do what you got to do, but keep your name out of my mouth. Out of nowhere today, you bring my name up when talking to an another poster. Learn how to better control your anger, and respect the fact that others might not see the way things you do. Like i said before, Anger Management Sessions are always helpful my friend. If you get this angry talking sports, God knows how angry you must be in other daily situations.
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Post#19 » by s e n s i » Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:10 am

isn't Mehar the same guy who kept bumping his own thread about Wilner over and over and over again, days after the last post had been made and the discussion had already run it's course? if so i think the attention seeking accusations are quite valid.

anyway, as mentioned several times, you can't single out one player. they've all been disappointing and the only one who wasn't won't see the field until july. though dickey and buerhle have been very good aside from a start each. i don't know, maybe morrow or johnson?

every player on the roster has played their part in helping this team lose. except kawasaki and janssen and reyes.
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Post#20 » by Mehar » Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:21 am

s e n s i wrote:isn't Mehar the same guy who kept bumping his own thread about Wilner over and over and over again, days after the last post had been made and the discussion had already run it's course? if so i think the attention seeking accusations are quite valid.

anyway, as mentioned several times, you can't single out one player. they've all been disappointing and the only one who wasn't won't see the field until july. though dickey and buerhle have been very good aside from a start each. i don't know, maybe morrow or johnson?

every player on the roster has played their part in helping this team lose. except kawasaki and janssen and reyes.


You mean Mike Shillner (LOL). Those discussions in that thread were far from over. It might seemed like it, but i was working two jobs last summer and did not get a chance to go on the internet everyday, but every other day, so it might seemed like i was bumping it (LOL). As for Mike Wilner, some people like him, some do not; but even if i do not like him on how he handles his callers, and comes across as an apologist, i still do think he is an intelligent baseball guy and i respect him.

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