Romero to BUF, Gonzales DFA, Ortiz, Storey called uo

dagger · Post #1 » by **dagger** » Thu May 9, 2013 1:31 pm

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi 2m
Jays moves today: Ricky Romero optioned to Buffalo. Edgar Gonzalez DFA. Ramon Ortiz and Mickey Storey called up from Buffalo.

Lateral Quicks · Post #2 » by **Lateral Quicks** » Thu May 9, 2013 1:46 pm

Ramon Ortiz.

Romero should probably be going back to Dunedin; I suspect he'll get lit up in Buffalo, too. Hopefully AA has learned his lesson and won't call him up again until he has a good number of quality starts under his belt.

Brinbe · Post #3 » by **Brinbe** » Thu May 9, 2013 1:49 pm

More Ortiz =(

dagger · Post #4 » by **dagger** » Thu May 9, 2013 1:58 pm

Dirk Hayhurst rips Jays for handling of Romero

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/ha ... e-pitcher/

If you look back at his numbers, without the benefit of eyes on his individual performances last year, you may be inclined to build the sterile narrative that it was the lack of run support that really broke him. But the truth is, Ricky wasn’t there.

UPDATE: (9:22 a.m. ET) The Blue Jays optioned Romero to triple-A Buffalo Thursday morning.

Not Ricky the resilient, big-league all-star. His ability to handle rough innings and recover accordingly left him. He didn’t just walk guys, nibbling and missing the plate by inches; he threw balls into the dirt in front of the plate and then stood the catcher up on balls out of the zone.

He got exponentially worse in jams, and relied on the mistakes of opposing hitters to get him out.

It was this dramatic way in which his ability left him that warranted a call for demotion. There are pitchers who have bad luck. Even long stretches of bad luck. Then there are pitchers who lose their abilities, who pitch crippled, who look lost. Those are the ones that need to go down, and Ricky fit the bill.

dagger · Post #5 » by **dagger** » Thu May 9, 2013 2:02 pm

One thing about Ricky. He's so macho, he always believes he's pitching better than he is... Last night was no exception.

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013/05/ ... s-to-rays/

Although he made no explicit complaints after the game, Romero was clearly displeased that manager John Gibbons yanked him so early. Romero said his much-discussed delivery mechanics were sound and felt he pitched in bad luck. Two good pitches turned into key ground balls that found holes, he said.

There There · Post #6 » by **There There** » Thu May 9, 2013 3:18 pm

Get back up to speed soon Sean Nolin. Please.

Ortiz ? And apparently starting Friday against Lester? ugh.

Why not just go back to 8 man pen and stack Lincoln/Cecil for ~3 innings each.

As ridiculous as carrying 8 relievers was earlier this season, we're into Apocalypse Now for the starting rotation and the 8 man pen could actually be justified just to be able to stack two capable relievers in lieu of an actual 4th guy in the rotation.

They don't need the fifth until May 21

You could have run out something like:

May 9: Dickey
May 10: Lincoln/Cecil
May 11: Morrow
May 12: Buehrle
May 13: Off Day
May 14: Dickey
May 15: Lincoln/Cecil
May 16: Off Day
May 17: Morrow
May 18: Buehrle
May 19: Dickey
May 20: Lincoln/Cecil
May 21: ????

Yes, taking Cecil out of the pen (technically) and putting him on a set schedule hurts the strength of the pen... but not nearly as much as giving Ramon Ortiz multiple starts has the potential to hurt...

BigLeagueChew · Post #7 » by **BigLeagueChew** » Thu May 9, 2013 4:18 pm

Why did Romero get called up in the first place?

changes · Post #8 » by **changes** » Thu May 9, 2013 4:55 pm

Good to see scrub romero sent down, there wasn't much point starting him twice and taking 2 guaranteed losses.

Post #9 » by **Nolan** » Thu May 9, 2013 5:53 pm

It was a massive mistake bringing Romero up in the first place, I just don't understand why they're doing this to the guy.

gp2015 · Post #10 » by **gp2015** » Thu May 9, 2013 6:40 pm

changes wrote:Good to see scrub romero sent down, there wasn't much point starting him twice and taking 2 guaranteed losses.

Well Ortiz is pretty much a guaranteed loss too. It's safe to say that whoever we bring up to start in place of Happ/Johnson will be a guaranteed loss.

beeflow · Post #11 » by **beeflow** » Thu May 9, 2013 7:42 pm

Although I am in agreement that as of right now Ricky is a bonafide scrub, I really hope that he turns it around. I'd hate to see another scrub pitcher be let go by the Jays only to be an All-Star for the Cardinals. If y'all are catching my drift. He has the stuff to be good pretty good hurler but I think he needs to fix his mechanics to the point that he almost needs to re-learn how to pitch again.

Wo1verine · Post #12 » by **Wo1verine** » Thu May 9, 2013 8:04 pm

Couldn't do better than Ortiz? :lol:

And doesn't Storey throw like 85mph?

dagger · Post #13 » by **dagger** » Thu May 9, 2013 8:08 pm

There There wrote:Get back up to speed soon Sean Nolin. Please.

Ortiz ? And apparently starting Friday against Lester? ugh.

Why not just go back to 8 man pen and stack Lincoln/Cecil for ~3 innings each.

As ridiculous as carrying 8 relievers was earlier this season, we're into Apocalypse Now for the starting rotation and the 8 man pen could actually be justified just to be able to stack two capable relievers in lieu of an actual 4th guy in the rotation.

They don't need the fifth until May 21

You could have run out something like:

May 9: Dickey
May 10: Lincoln/Cecil
May 11: Morrow
May 12: Buehrle
May 13: Off Day
May 14: Dickey
May 15: Lincoln/Cecil
May 16: Off Day
May 17: Morrow
May 18: Buehrle
May 19: Dickey
May 20: Lincoln/Cecil
May 21: ????

Yes, taking Cecil out of the pen (technically) and putting him on a set schedule hurts the strength of the pen... but not nearly as much as giving Ramon Ortiz multiple starts has the potential to hurt...

Once he has another couple of starts, Jays might consider Chad Jenkins for that May 20-21 timeframe, assuming JJ isn't back by then.

Santoki · Post #14 » by **Santoki** » Thu May 9, 2013 8:09 pm

The starting pitching is decimated. Pretty much 3 guaranteed losses a week and Dickey and Morrow are inconsistent themselves. I don't see a way for this team to turn things around now. The offense also isn't nearly consistent enough to make up for pitching deficiencies. I honestly think we'll be lucky to finish the season at .500 let alone the all-star break or end of July.

kwamebargnani · Post #15 » by **kwamebargnani** » Thu May 9, 2013 8:28 pm

Our depth is amazing. Going all in with Kawasaki as your 2nd shortstop, and Romero and Ortiz as your 6th and 7th starter is a great idea.

hyper316 · Post #16 » by **hyper316** » Thu May 9, 2013 8:34 pm

That Miss America ex-girl ruined Romero's confidence and mlb career...

Going from an ace and an allstar, to 1-out outing getting bombed and getting sent down.

kwamebargnani · Post #17 » by **kwamebargnani** » Thu May 9, 2013 8:37 pm

hyper316 wrote:That Miss America ex-girl ruined Romero's confidence and mlb career...

Going from an ace and an allstar, to 1-out outing getting bombed and getting sent down.

He was never an ace. He has always been a decent number 3 starter.

There There · Post #18 » by **There There** » Thu May 9, 2013 8:47 pm

Wo1verine wrote:Couldn't do better than Ortiz? And doesn't Storey throw like 85mph?

He averaged 90 last season.

But who cares ? He has very good breaking stuff, which he uses far more than his FB.

Randle McMurphy · Post #19 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Thu May 9, 2013 8:54 pm

So yeah...the Jays made a mistake there. A mistake made out of desperation, but a mistake nonetheless.

You know you have rotation issues when Ramon Ortiz is starting a major league game for you in 2013.

Michael Bradley · Post #20 » by **Michael Bradley** » Thu May 9, 2013 10:10 pm

The Jays deserve all the criticism they get for calling Romero up. Romero coming in and turning into the pitcher he was in 2009-11 after one minor league start was not a very likely scenario. Now they have to deal with the consequences of sending him down again (whatever that does to Romero's confidence), and still haven't solved the problem he had in 2012/Spring Training 2013.