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Is there anyone who was in consideration last year that is still available and worth going after? Are there any new candidates that have emerged this season? I guess we can empathize with how Boston fans felt towards the end of their season last year. We know the inevitable is coming... another sunken ship for Captain Boomhauer. Is it appropriate to feel joy in him suffering the same fate twice?

Hopefully nobody new at all. Gibbons has done a fine job this year. He can't control the fact that nearly every player on the team got hurt or performed hugely below expectations (or both of those at the same time).

If AA feels he has to scapegoat him like his predecessor to appease those who don't have a clue, though, I would assume the same candidates from last offseason will be options (S. Alomar, Acta, Butterfield, Hale, etc.).

Unfortunately Anthopoulos may not have a choice... Rogers could be out for blood

This thread is still entirely **** stupid.

read a few tweets from Jon Morosi this evening mentioning the Angels are most likely replacing their GM or Mike Scioscia, if Scioscia is released i would ask him how much do you want and she can you start. Would love to have him as our manager, could possibly even help JP with his defence

The problem with that is that watching Scioscia force the team to play small ball every day and throw away outs for no reason would kind of be the worst.

This is a problem with many managers that isn't restricted to just him, though.

There'd also be the great irony of firing Gibbons because he failed to get expected results with an expensive, big name-laden roster...and replacing him with Mike Scioscia.

Semi-OT, but is there any reason why Dave Martinez hasn't been hired by a team yet? I would assume working under Maddon would be an appealing part of someone's resume. I was hoping the Jays got him the last two times they were looking for a manager. Not to suggest he will be as good as Maddon is, but at least it would be a worthwhile gamble.

If Gibbons is fired, I'd imagine AA/Beeston/Rogers would hire a "name" to appease the fans. Scioscia would fit that criteria.

You could have had the best manager in the world this year, but this team would have still been the worst team in the AL East based on their play in the field this year. I am not blaming the manager, but it is very hard to bring Gibbons back based on the train wreck this season has been. I think Beeston would go for a big name, and Mike Scioscia would be on the top of the list.

Is it just me or does Gibbons' body language not project that of a dejected man who knows he blew his chance at redemption? That's what I saw when he got ejected in that last game against the Yankees. Has anyone noticed any changes in him?

As for the kind of manager this team needs, we need someone who is touch with this generation of players and can motivate them to success. Gibbons is an out of shape, word-slurring red neck type who had been a half-decade out of the MLB prior to this season; is that kind of guy going to be succesful in leading this team? Why did AA think he could click with them? Or was he being naive?

And the hiring of Sciosa or some other old-timer would just be anoher in a line of blunders. This team needs to go with a younger manager that's had some success coaching in the minors or on a MLB staff somewhere. (Let's stay away from ex-managers who've burnt bridges).

Word salad.

I think if the Jays change managers, it should be someone who can energize the team in spring training, work hard on fundamentals, so the team gets off to a better start. In a sense, there was a defeatist air about the Jays from May onward that lifted only briefly during the winning streak and when they couldn't maintain a winning record after that, the team basically began playing out the string. I think a Young Turk like Alomar would be a worthy candidate, because he'd relate to both young players and the Latin veterans. As a former catcher, he understands the mindset of pitchers. If it doesn't work out, he's cheap enough to fire after a year or two, whereas Sciosa wouldn't be cheap or easy to fire. Of course, all this assumes a largely standpat roster for 2014, whereas if AA decides to compete with a different window, say, by moving a star or two for MLB or MLB ready talent, the team might go in a different direction in the managerial area.

dagger wrote:I think if the Jays change managers, it should be someone who can energize the team in spring training, work hard on fundamentals, so the team gets off to a better start. In a sense, there was a defeatist air about the Jays from May onward that lifted only briefly during the winning streak and when they couldn't maintain a winning record after that, the team basically began playing out the string. I think a Young Turk like Alomar would be a worthy candidate, because he'd relate to both young players and the Latin veterans. As a former catcher, he understands the mindset of pitchers. If it doesn't work out, he's cheap enough to fire after a year or two, whereas Sciosa wouldn't be cheap or easy to fire. Of course, all this assumes a largely standpat roster for 2014, whereas if AA decides to compete with a different window, say, by moving a star or two for MLB or MLB ready talent, the team might go in a different direction in the managerial area.

AA is not going to trade any of the core players. He's made his bed and has to have some success with this group or his own job will be scrutinized. I see them making a managerial change, but I don't see them bringing in someone like Scioscia. I think they'll go after someone from a successful staff with more energy and a more hands-on than off approach.

Santoki wrote: I think they'll go after someone from a successful staff with more energy and a more hands-on than off approach.

Can't get any more hands-on than Tino Martinez. Now there's a man who knows motivation!

Schadenfreude wrote:

Santoki wrote: I think they'll go after someone from a successful staff with more energy and a more hands-on than off approach.

Can't get any more hands-on than Tino Martinez. Now there's a man who knows motivation!

AA might just be making his Kevin O'Neill hiring this winter.

dkmo wrote:Is it just me or does Gibbons' body language not project that of a dejected man who knows he blew his chance at redemption? That's what I saw when he got ejected in that last game against the Yankees. Has anyone noticed any changes in him?

As for the kind of manager this team needs, we need someone who is touch with this generation of players and can motivate them to success. Gibbons is an out of shape, word-slurring red neck type who had been a half-decade out of the MLB prior to this season; is that kind of guy going to be succesful in leading this team? Why did AA think he could click with them? Or was he being naive?

And the hiring of Sciosa or some other old-timer would just be anoher in a line of blunders. This team needs to go with a younger manager that's had some success coaching in the minors or on a MLB staff somewhere. (Let's stay away from ex-managers who've burnt bridges).

The amount of bias and lack of understanding in this message is unbelievable.

offseason steps:

1. improve starting pitching
2. improve starting pitching some more
3. improve C
4. improve 2B
5. new manager

a lot to do before we start worrying about gibbons, hes not the problem

dballislife wrote:offseason steps:

1. new GM
2. improve C
3. improve starting pitching
4. improve starting pitching some more
5. improve 2B
6. new manager

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kwamebargnani wrote:

dballislife wrote:offseason steps:

1. new GM
2. improve C
3. improve starting pitching
4. improve starting pitching some more
5. improve 2B
6. new manager

fixed

Yeah it was pretty well known that Dickey and Johnson would decline and Reyes would be hurt. I was no fan of the Dickey trade but still it did make sense considering our build mode.

I also don't think that a GM should be judged based off of 1 season.

Jo-Jo Reyes gong show, Giving Cordero 5m coming off a replacement level season, giving Thames the starting job, JPA lovefest, filling bench with useless dinosaurs, etc. There were always indications showing he's incompetent. He's not being judged off of one season only.

kwamebargnani wrote:Jo-Jo Reyes gong show, Giving Cordero 5m coming off a replacement level season, giving Thames the starting job, JPA lovefest, filling bench with useless dinosaurs, etc. There were always indications showing he's incompetent. He's not being judged off of one season only.

That's like what, 5 years of negativity? Hindsight is 20/20. I can find around 6 billion people who have made justifiable mistakes at the time, which turned out negatively.

It's possible we could sign Cano, trade for Trout, Miguel Cabrera and they combine to hit .100/.110/.150 with 2 HR's in 500 plate appearances each. Is that AA's fault? With your logic, yes.

I believe he released Jo-Jo, signed a closer to a 1 year deal, and what

Wait a second.

Did he really give Thames the starting job? Wasn't that the manager? Find me a quote where AA says he stepped in and gave Thames the starting job.

Oh yeah, by the way we later traded him for an All-Star reliever with plenty of control left. If we didn't start him, he doesn't get traded. So that is actually the worst point ever.

JPA has hit 95 professional home runs, since 2010. He is a clone of Edwin Encarnacion pre-breakout. Obvious tools, just needs to figure things out. Sure he's aging but deciding to go with him over oft-injured d'Arnaud isn't a terrible idea.

Who are you supposed to fill the bench with by the way? As much as I want this to be like your file on MLB the show where you have Prince Fielder as a PH and Kershaw as a 6th starter, what are you supposed to do? Try and finish at 80 wins instead of 78? In a contending year we signed real bench players, because believe it or not aging guys chasing rings don't sign with .500 teams.