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3 Jays, 4 ex-Jays in MLB.com top 100 prospects list
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:05 am
by dagger
Re: 3 Jays, 4 ex-Jays in MLB.com top 100 prospects list
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:11 am
by MikeM
I think Syndergaard will hurt us. The rest won't.
Damn, D'Arnaud is already 25. One year younger than Travis Snider lol.
Re: 3 Jays, 4 ex-Jays in MLB.com top 100 prospects list
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:26 pm
by Waylon Mercy
I was so pissed that we traded Syndergarad especially in that deal
Re: 3 Jays, 4 ex-Jays in MLB.com top 100 prospects list
Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:01 am
by Kurtz
Boston with 9 (!) in the top 100, including the #2 overall. Sigh.
Re: 3 Jays, 4 ex-Jays in MLB.com top 100 prospects list
Posted: Mon Mar 3, 2014 7:15 pm
by kwamebargnani
Kurtz wrote:Boston with 9 (!) in the top 100, including the #2 overall. Sigh.
They don't trade away top prospects for a 40-year-old.
Re: 3 Jays, 4 ex-Jays in MLB.com top 100 prospects list
Posted: Mon Mar 3, 2014 7:31 pm
by Lateral Quicks
Waylon Mercy wrote:I was so pissed that we traded Syndergarad especially in that deal
I remember the deal was originally rumoured to be for d'Arnaud by himself, which had a few of us upset by itself. Syndergaard was just a toss in. Quite the toss in, AA. Just brutal.
Re: 3 Jays, 4 ex-Jays in MLB.com top 100 prospects list
Posted: Mon Mar 3, 2014 8:01 pm
by Randle McMurphy
Lateral Quicks wrote:Waylon Mercy wrote:I was so pissed that we traded Syndergarad especially in that deal
I remember the deal was originally rumoured to be for d'Arnaud by himself, which had a few of us upset by itself. Syndergaard was just a toss in. Quite the toss in, AA. Just brutal.
Toss in? Not quite. The Mets specifically asked for two top prospects for Dickey in order to make a move.
Re: 3 Jays, 4 ex-Jays in MLB.com top 100 prospects list
Posted: Mon Mar 3, 2014 9:39 pm
by C Court
Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1
Syndergaard in 1st inning is throwing 97 easy, and Kd Heyward at 98.
#Mets #wow
Re: 3 Jays, 4 ex-Jays in MLB.com top 100 prospects list
Posted: Mon Mar 3, 2014 9:57 pm
by Michael Bradley
Lateral Quicks wrote:Waylon Mercy wrote:I was so pissed that we traded Syndergarad especially in that deal
I remember the deal was originally rumoured to be for d'Arnaud by himself, which had a few of us upset by itself. Syndergaard was just a toss in. Quite the toss in, AA. Just brutal.
Syndergaard was not a toss-in. He was likely just as important in the deal as TDA was. The year prior, the A's allegedly wanted Syndergaard for Gio Gonzalez so it's not like he was an unknown prospect. The Jays and the league knew how much value he held, but clearly AA felt that making the deal for Dickey was worth the risk.
A few of the pitchers traded to the Marlins will look better than they are due to their home ballpark (Alvarez and likely Nicolino in particular), but I still think Syndergaard is the only prospect worth being upset over as far as players traded last winter (remains to be seen whether the Jays sold high on TDA or whether he will be able to stay healthy going forward). Unfortunately, the players the Jays got back were either complete busts (Johnson), injured (Reyes and to a lesser extent Dickey), or not very good to begin with (Bonifacio). Obviously Buehrle is the only one who performed as advertised.
Re: 3 Jays, 4 ex-Jays in MLB.com top 100 prospects list
Posted: Mon Mar 3, 2014 10:49 pm
by Lateral Quicks
Michael Bradley wrote:Lateral Quicks wrote:Waylon Mercy wrote:I was so pissed that we traded Syndergarad especially in that deal
I remember the deal was originally rumoured to be for d'Arnaud by himself, which had a few of us upset by itself. Syndergaard was just a toss in. Quite the toss in, AA. Just brutal.
Syndergaard was not a toss-in. He was likely just as important in the deal as TDA was. The year prior, the A's allegedly wanted Syndergaard for Gio Gonzalez so it's not like he was an unknown prospect. The Jays and the league knew how much value he held, but clearly AA felt that making the deal for Dickey was worth the risk.
A few of the pitchers traded to the Marlins will look better than they are due to their home ballpark (Alvarez and likely Nicolino in particular), but I still think Syndergaard is the only prospect worth being upset over as far as players traded last winter (remains to be seen whether the Jays sold high on TDA or whether he will be able to stay healthy going forward). Unfortunately, the players the Jays got back were either complete busts (Johnson), injured (Reyes and to a lesser extent Dickey), or not very good to begin with (Bonifacio). Obviously Buehrle is the only one who performed as advertised.
I meant more in the context of the chronology of events. The deal was rumoured for weeks, and it was unclear from reports whether it would be d'Arnaud straight up or an Arencibia + Gose package. Then a day or two before it actually went down we found out it that not only would it be d'Arnaud, but Syndergaard would be added to the deal. So the deal went from bad to worse. You just don't give up two high-upside prospects for an aging knuckle baller.
Re: 3 Jays, 4 ex-Jays in MLB.com top 100 prospects list
Posted: Mon Mar 3, 2014 11:14 pm
by Michael Bradley
Sandy Alderson got Zack Wheeler for two months of Carlos Beltran. He wasn't going to take Anthony Gose and JP Arencibia for the reigning Cy Young winner making $5M in 2013. I'd imagine the early talks of Gose and JPA was more wishful thinking, and not any type of legitimate rumor. I'm guessing it was always TDA/Syndergaard; it was just a matter of whether AA would pull the trigger on it.
Re: 3 Jays, 4 ex-Jays in MLB.com top 100 prospects list
Posted: Tue Mar 4, 2014 4:05 am
by The_Hater
MikeM wrote:I think Syndergaard will hurt us. The rest won't.
Damn, D'Arnaud is already 25. One year younger than Travis Snider lol.
Injury prone catchers generally get moved to 1B at some point and while D'Arnaud hits well for a catching prospect he doesn't light it up enough to register as a 25 year old 1B prospect.
Re: 3 Jays, 4 ex-Jays in MLB.com top 100 prospects list
Posted: Tue Mar 4, 2014 4:09 am
by There There
Lateral Quicks wrote:
I meant more in the context of the chronology of events. The deal was rumoured for weeks, and it was unclear from reports whether it would be d'Arnaud straight up or an Arencibia + Gose package. Then a day or two before it actually went down we found out it that not only would it be d'Arnaud, but Syndergaard would be added to the deal. So the deal went from bad to worse. You just don't give up two high-upside prospects for an aging knuckle baller.
The deal was never going to be Gose and Arencibia.
The majority of this board was happy just seeing Arencibia non-tendered and Gose, a year later, still looks so lost at the plate that he looks less advanced than Kenny Wilson, a guy who not only has more than 500 less at bats at the professional level, has yet to play a single game at the AAA level and whose ceiling is probably that of a fourth outfielder at best.
Why would the Mets take that for a guy coming off the Cy Young award, regardless if he's an aging knuckle baller.
In isolation, I would never have wanted to see the team make that deal.
However, as a follow up to the Marlins deal, I could see why Anthopoulos made it.
It's not good value, but it was supposed to be the move that really pushed this team to the upper echelon last season.
the absolute worst case scenario occurred instead and now it only makes it look worse.
But it was at least defensible at the time if the goal was to put this team in the best possible position to go deep into the post season as soon as last year.
Re: 3 Jays, 4 ex-Jays in MLB.com top 100 prospects list
Posted: Tue Mar 4, 2014 4:31 am
by There There
The_Hater wrote:MikeM wrote:I think Syndergaard will hurt us. The rest won't.
Damn, D'Arnaud is already 25. One year younger than Travis Snider lol.
Injury prone catchers generally get moved to 1B at some point and while D'Arnaud hits well for a catching prospect he doesn't light it up enough to register as a 25 year old 1B prospect.
d'Arnaud still looks more like a victim of terrible luck as opposed to injury prone.
Torn PCL sliding into second.
Broken foot from a foul ball while hitting.
That' the extent of his injuries the past two seasons and it looks like some terribly bad luck as opposed to a worrisome trend.
But you're right that if he had to move to first, he'd lose significant value.
Re: 3 Jays, 4 ex-Jays in MLB.com top 100 prospects list
Posted: Tue Mar 4, 2014 3:11 pm
by LBJSeizedMyID
Syndergaard from all accounts has primarily been doing this mostly on his awesome fastball. From what I've read his offspeed pitches still needs work.
In general, we had the prospects, but have yet to properly develop them. If Syndergaard becomes something special, a huge reason will be the Mets developing his offspeed stuff.
Re: 3 Jays, 4 ex-Jays in MLB.com top 100 prospects list
Posted: Wed Mar 5, 2014 12:55 am
by Graham's Cracker
A little update from BA with respect to guys who just missed the cut on their top 100 list. There were 7 BA staffers with votes for context sake and they each had lists up to 150.
Jays Prospects
Alberto Tirado - 1 Ballot - highest ranking 148
D.J. Davis - 6 ballots - 87
Dan Norris - 3 ballots - 115
Frankin Barreto - 4 ballots - 101
Mitch Nay - 5 ballots - 127
Roberto Osuna - 1 ballot - 128
Former Jays prospect
Desclafani - 1 ballot - 142
Woj - 2 ballots - 103
Nicolino - 5 ballots - 111
Re: 3 Jays, 4 ex-Jays in MLB.com top 100 prospects list
Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2014 8:43 pm
by suntzuballin
Lateral Quicks wrote:Michael Bradley wrote:Lateral Quicks wrote:
I remember the deal was originally rumoured to be for d'Arnaud by himself, which had a few of us upset by itself. Syndergaard was just a toss in. Quite the toss in, AA. Just brutal.
Syndergaard was not a toss-in. He was likely just as important in the deal as TDA was. The year prior, the A's allegedly wanted Syndergaard for Gio Gonzalez so it's not like he was an unknown prospect. The Jays and the league knew how much value he held, but clearly AA felt that making the deal for Dickey was worth the risk.
A few of the pitchers traded to the Marlins will look better than they are due to their home ballpark (Alvarez and likely Nicolino in particular), but I still think Syndergaard is the only prospect worth being upset over as far as players traded last winter (remains to be seen whether the Jays sold high on TDA or whether he will be able to stay healthy going forward). Unfortunately, the players the Jays got back were either complete busts (Johnson), injured (Reyes and to a lesser extent Dickey), or not very good to begin with (Bonifacio). Obviously Buehrle is the only one who performed as advertised.
I meant more in the context of the chronology of events. The deal was rumoured for weeks, and it was unclear from reports whether it would be d'Arnaud straight up or an Arencibia + Gose package. Then a day or two before it actually went down we found out it that not only would it be d'Arnaud, but Syndergaard would be added to the deal. So the deal went from bad to worse. You just don't give up two high-upside prospects for an aging knuckle baller.
exactly this pissed me off when jays put syngarrd in the deal.I started thinking anthopuloes was turning into j.p ricarrdi.
Re: 3 Jays, 4 ex-Jays in MLB.com top 100 prospects list
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:08 pm
by -MetA4-
There There wrote:d'Arnaud still looks more like a victim of terrible luck as opposed to injury prone.
Torn PCL sliding into second.
Broken foot from a foul ball while hitting.
That' the extent of his injuries the past two seasons and it looks like some terribly bad luck as opposed to a worrisome trend.
He also had bulging discs in his back in 2010 which forced him to miss time. Back, knee, foot....none of those look "good" for a catcher. I think he was averaging ~84 games played over the last three seasons.
Re: 3 Jays, 4 ex-Jays in MLB.com top 100 prospects list
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:10 pm
by -MetA4-
LBJSeizedMyID wrote:In general, we had the prospects, but have yet to properly develop them. If Syndergaard becomes something special, a huge reason will be the Mets developing his offspeed stuff.
What a BS statement. The Jays did a phenomenal job developing Syndergaard. To pretend that he turned into a top prospect under our watch because we simply told him to go out and throw fastballs is beyond insulting.
Re: 3 Jays, 4 ex-Jays in MLB.com top 100 prospects list
Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:05 am
by Graham's Cracker
There was a good piece on Dan Norris in the National Post
It emphasized how Norris was told right from his pro debut, how results don't matter and they were focused on seeing him doing the right things (delivery, stride, refining all pitches).
He attributes this approach to his success in the 2nd half.
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2014/03/11/toronto-blue-jays-prospect-daniel-norris-drives-an-old-van-in-search-of-good-waves-ive-been-different-my-whole-life/