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i mean Tigers put Fister on the market and wanted relievers in return. Toronto was said to be talking about Fister with Detroit and had the best possible collection of solid relievers Detroit could ask for. im talking Jansen, Delebar, Santos, Cecil, McGowan, Wagner, Rogers, Jeffres, Redmon, if you get my drift.

Then Fister is dealt to Washington for whats considered a weak return. They took back MUCH less to keep Fister away from a Toronto. an AL rival if you add Fister to the mix.

you see team from the AL purposely send guys to the NL and NL to AL for this reason.

but was Detroit scared Toronto would benefit, and purposely deny them?

Blue Jays wrote:i mean Tigers put Fister on the market and wanted relievers in return. Toronto was said to be talking about Fister with Detroit and had the best possible collection of solid relievers Detroit could ask for. im talking Jansen, Delebar, Santos, Cecil, McGowan, Wagner, Rogers, Jeffres, Redmon, if you get my drift.

Then Fister is dealt to Washington for whats considered a weak return. They took back MUCH less to keep Fister away from a Toronto. an AL rival if you add Fister to the mix.

you see team from the AL purposely send guys to the NL and NL to AL for this reason.

but was Detroit scared Toronto would benefit, and purposely screw them?

I think there were more than just the Jays that were upset that they couldn't put together an offer for Fister.

Think we found number15.

highly unlikely the tigers turned down the jays if they had the best offer on the table. while the jays probably had an offer if they were in the mix, the package was probably less than what the nationals offered.

"You can see that young pitching right now is very difficult to acquire," Dombrowski said. "We had a list of about 15 pitchers that we would consider in various deals. He (robbie ray) was one of the 15. The other 14 people said no. And (the Nationals) said no at first."

"The only part I take exception to —€” and I've read it a couple of times —€” is that we didn't do our homework," Dombrowski said. "Well, that couldn't be further from the truth. We had our list of around 15 guys. We went to every one of those clubs: 'Would you trade this guy? Would you trade that guy?' And none of them would trade one.

add to that the serviceable parts added into the deal, and the blue jays probably don't have much to offer that would have topped what the nationals had on the table.

The two other pieces in the trade, meanwhile, will contribute to the Tigers this season. Krol, 22, eventually could develop into a No. 1 left-hander out of the bullpen. Lombardozzi, 25, can handle every infield position but first and also left field.

did the jays have a package comparable to the nationals? nolin and stilson come to mind. but the jays have nothing for bench depth (izturis doesn't count for jack s***) so it was unlikely that if the jays were one of the 15 teams the tigers came around to, they had the necessary parts to get a deal done in any capacity.

FrankGrimes wrote:highly unlikely the tigers turned down the jays if they had the best offer on the table. while the jays probably had an offer if they were in the mix, the package was probably less than what the nationals offered.

It would be nigh on impossible to offer less than the Nationals offered. That was a massive, massive ripoff.

However, it doesn't sound like most teams had the chance to; Dombrowski seems to have put Fister up for sale and pulled the trigger after doing very little shopping, because AA wasn't the only GM who seemed shocked when he was dealt at that price.

i ain't dombrowski so i can only go on what i read. but it seems like dombrowski DID do his homework and had a hardlist of 15 pitchers he targeted around the league. dombrowski is a solid gm so i refuse to believe he didn't do his due diligence when it came to this trade.

what it tells me is that the tigers really loved ray and see something in him that elevated his value. i would guess that assuming the jays were one of the 15 teams the tigers approached, he was asking the jays something along the line or stroman or norris and AA (thank the gods) said no.

this wasn't the tigers putting fister on the block and waiting for the highest bidder. this was the tigers with a hard list and making the move with the only team that eventually relented with the prospect dombrowski wanted. is that a curious move? 100% yes. was there a strategy to it like blue jays suggested? quite plausible.

so, as a jays fan, who do i believe and who do i direct my ire towards? in this case, nobody. fister wouldn't put this team over the top and a bidding war would have meant the jays would have overpaid for his services.

if AA was irked he didn't get a chance to get into the party, maybe he didn't have an invite (the tigers approached 15 teams) so his reaction was genuine but the trade went down and the way it went down happened for reasons nobody but the tigers' front office will understand.

FrankGrimes wrote:i ain't dombrowski so i can only go on what i read. but it seems like dombrowski DID do his homework and had a hardlist of 15 pitchers he targeted around the league. dombrowski is a solid gm so i refuse to believe he didn't do his due diligence when it came to this trade.

Well, he didn't. It was a horrible trade.

FrankGrimes wrote:highly unlikely the tigers turned down the jays if they had the best offer on the table. while the jays probably had an offer if they were in the mix, the package was probably less than what the nationals offered.

"You can see that young pitching right now is very difficult to acquire," Dombrowski said. "We had a list of about 15 pitchers that we would consider in various deals. He (robbie ray) was one of the 15. The other 14 people said no. And (the Nationals) said no at first."

"The only part I take exception to —€” and I've read it a couple of times —€” is that we didn't do our homework," Dombrowski said. "Well, that couldn't be further from the truth. We had our list of around 15 guys. We went to every one of those clubs: 'Would you trade this guy? Would you trade that guy?' And none of them would trade one.

add to that the serviceable parts added into the deal, and the blue jays probably don't have much to offer that would have topped what the nationals had on the table.

The two other pieces in the trade, meanwhile, will contribute to the Tigers this season. Krol, 22, eventually could develop into a No. 1 left-hander out of the bullpen. Lombardozzi, 25, can handle every infield position but first and also left field.

did the jays have a package comparable to the nationals? nolin and stilson come to mind. but the jays have nothing for bench depth (izturis doesn't count for jack s***) so it was unlikely that if the jays were one of the 15 teams the tigers came around to, they had the necessary parts to get a deal done in any capacity.

I can see what you're saying about logic dictating that DD must have fully explored the trade market with an asset as valuable as Fister. However, you would think that given the interest in Shark. AA and Co. would have jumped at a Stroman or Sanchez + Cecil deal for Fister. You have to figure that Stroman/Sanchez VS Ray and Cecil VS Krol is a win-win for the jays and then you have the addition of Lombardozzi, who isn't much better than replacement level.

FrankGrimes wrote:i ain't dombrowski so i can only go on what i read. but it seems like dombrowski DID do his homework and had a hardlist of 15 pitchers he targeted around the league. dombrowski is a solid gm so i refuse to believe he didn't do his due diligence when it came to this trade.

what it tells me is that the tigers really loved ray and see something in him that elevated his value. i would guess that assuming the jays were one of the 15 teams the tigers approached, he was asking the jays something along the line or stroman or norris and AA (thank the gods) said no.

this wasn't the tigers putting fister on the block and waiting for the highest bidder. this was the tigers with a hard list and making the move with the only team that eventually relented with the prospect dombrowski wanted. is that a curious move? 100% yes. was there a strategy to it like blue jays suggested? quite plausible.

so, as a jays fan, who do i believe and who do i direct my ire towards? in this case, nobody. fister wouldn't put this team over the top and a bidding war would have meant the jays would have overpaid for his services.

if AA was irked he didn't get a chance to get into the party, maybe he didn't have an invite (the tigers approached 15 teams) so his reaction was genuine but the trade went down and the way it went down happened for reasons nobody but the tigers' front office will understand.

Hold up you would rather hold on to Stroman or Nolin instead of Doug Fister ? You want to win now or in another 3 years ? Except we wont be winning in another three years because we never win lol.

The hope would've been that it didn't stop with fister, imagine if we did get fister and Santana accepted our deal, pretty nice starting 5 at that point, with a top 5 offence in the AL.

So to further cap off this deal Lombardozzi was dealt to the Orioles for non-roster invitee Alex Gonzalez (not that one, the other one). I know that the Tigers are desperate for help at SS, especially when there is talk of putting in their first base coach at short.