2019 Minor Leagues/Prospect Discussion Thread

vaff87 · Post #4141 » by **vaff87** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:32 pm

JaysRule15 wrote:Latos always gave off that angry drunk vibe to me lol.

He’s never been very well liked, apparently.

vaff87 · Post #4142 » by **vaff87** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:06 pm

Kevin Smith is 11-18 with 2 home runs over his last 4 games.

-MetA4- · Post #4143 » by **-MetA4-** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:37 pm

Damn.

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vaff87 · Post #4144 » by **vaff87** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:48 pm

-MetA4- wrote:Damn.

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Same place Guerrero started, at the same age.

These kids must get a **** culture shock having to go to Bluefield.

manjusaka · Post #4145 » by **manjusaka** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:51 pm

Ryan Gold is now in Lansing. I guess it will be Yorman Rodriguez and Hagen Danner sharing the catcher in Bluefield....

Post #4146 » by **Schad** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:14 pm

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-updated-top-131-prospect-rankings/

Alford down but still 46th, Jansen up to 60th.

dagger · Post #4147 » by **dagger** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:17 pm

vaff87 wrote:Kevin Smith is 11-18 with 2 home runs over his last 4 games.

43 at bats so far, but he does seem to have the hang of the higher level. If so, our future infield is going to be something. Let's dare o imagine some combination of Vlad, Bo, Smith and Biggo, and that's just one layer of infield talent. A whole other layer is being developed at lower levels with the latest drafting and recent and pending international signings. And then there is catcher with Jansen, and now Max Pentecost may be finding himself at the plate, plus Adams, Danner and others. If only there was more pitching depth.

vaff87 · Post #4148 » by **vaff87** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:41 pm

Schad wrote:https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-updated-top-131-prospect-rankings/

Alford down but still 46th, Jansen up to 60th.

For me, Juan Soto is too low. I would have: 1) Vladdy 2) Soto 3) Acuna

Also, back to the Bichette/Tatis comparison. Tatis has 30 more strike outs than Bo, right now(76-46). Isn’t that a bit of a concern? Also, I’ve noticed Tatis has an OPS of .862 and Bo has an OPS of .797, but Bo has a slightly better wRC+(125-123). I’m assuming, traditionally, the Texas League is a lot easier to hit in than the Eastern League?

I find some of fangraphs grades a little weird. They give Bo a 50 hit tool. Other places seem to give him a 70(mlb.com and BA). Also, they give Vladdy a 65 hit tool, while MLB.com and BA give him an 80.

dagger · Post #4149 » by **dagger** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:11 pm

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Post #4150 » by **Schad** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:26 pm

vaff87 wrote:For me, Juan Soto is too low. I would have: 1) Vladdy 2) Soto 3) Acuna

Also, back to the Bichette/Tatis comparison. Tatis has 30 more strike outs than Bo, right now(76-46). Isn’t that a bit of a concern? Also, I’ve noticed Tatis has an OPS of .862 and Bo has an OPS of .797, but Bo has a slightly better wRC+(125-123). I’m assuming, traditionally, the Texas League is a lot easier to hit in than the Eastern League?

I find some of fangraphs grades a little weird. They give Bo a 50 hit tool. Other places seem to give him a 70(mlb.com and BA). Also, they give Vladdy a 65 hit tool, while MLB.com and BA give him an 80.

Tatis definitely could bust, but as with Javier Baez, the power/defense profile can result in a pretty decent player even if he swings and misses a frightful amount.

vaff87 · Post #4151 » by **vaff87** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:34 pm

Schad wrote:
vaff87 wrote:For me, Juan Soto is too low. I would have: 1) Vladdy 2) Soto 3) Acuna

Also, back to the Bichette/Tatis comparison. Tatis has 30 more strike outs than Bo, right now(76-46). Isn’t that a bit of a concern? Also, I’ve noticed Tatis has an OPS of .862 and Bo has an OPS of .797, but Bo has a slightly better wRC+(125-123). I’m assuming, traditionally, the Texas League is a lot easier to hit in than the Eastern League?

I find some of fangraphs grades a little weird. They give Bo a 50 hit tool. Other places seem to give him a 70(mlb.com and BA). Also, they give Vladdy a 65 hit tool, while MLB.com and BA give him an 80.

Tatis definitely could bust, but as with Javier Baez, the power/defense profile can result in a pretty decent player even if he swings and misses a frightful amount.

True. And Baez doesn’t walk, at all.

I don’t understand his double play partner. Wasn’t Russell expected to be a terrific hitter? What happened to him? He’s a good player, but not for the reasons that were expected.

vaff87 · Post #4152 » by **vaff87** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:42 am

Anthony Alford may finally be getting on track. He has 3 hits tonight; his 3rd straight multi-hit game.

Tanner · Post #4153 » by **Tanner** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:20 pm

dagger wrote:
vaff87 wrote:Kevin Smith is 11-18 with 2 home runs over his last 4 games.

43 at bats so far, but he does seem to have the hang of the higher level. If so, our future infield is going to be something. Let's dare o imagine some combination of Vlad, Bo, Smith and Biggo, and that's just one layer of infield talent. A whole other layer is being developed at lower levels with the latest drafting and recent and pending international signings. And then there is catcher with Jansen, and now Max Pentecost may be finding himself at the plate, plus Adams, Danner and others. If only there was more pitching depth.

Jays are on the right track. Heavy on young position players. They can use money and excess position players to add pitching (aka the Cubs, Astros, etc). A couple of years away but looking good right now.

dagger · Post #4154 » by **dagger** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:26 pm

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I_Like_Dirt · Post #4155 » by **I_Like_Dirt** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:36 pm

dagger wrote:43 at bats so far, but he does seem to have the hang of the higher level. If so, our future infield is going to be something. Let's dare o imagine some combination of Vlad, Bo, Smith and Biggo, and that's just one layer of infield talent. A whole other layer is being developed at lower levels with the latest drafting and recent and pending international signings. And then there is catcher with Jansen, and now Max Pentecost may be finding himself at the plate, plus Adams, Danner and others. If only there was more pitching depth.

It really is just the pitching. Even the outfield, while I don't think it's going to be all that good, looks like it has some passable depth there and should be functional enough, given what looks to be pretty excellent infield and catcher depth.

As for pitching, I'm honestly not too upset over it. I'd prefer the Jays be loaded with young arms, but health is so unpredictable there that I feel a lot of the Jays' recent success is that they've focused a little more on position players overall. Realistically, if they can get a couple starters and a bullpen out of their arms, given their young depth elsewhere, finding ridiculously expensive starters to fill out the rotation might actually be possible. I think the more important part is going to be finding top 2 guys, which is far easier said than done given how often pitchers' arms spontaneously combust. I think both Pearson and Kloffenstein have reasonable chances there, though as with any pitching prospect it's more likely they don't make it than they do. I sort of expect that eventually the Jays are going to have to consider moving some infield prospects for pitching prospects once their favourites start reaching the majors.

vaff87 · Post #4156 » by **vaff87** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:25 am

Bo just homered off Triston McKenzie.

emptytheclip · Post #4157 » by **emptytheclip** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:38 am

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vaff87 · Post #4158 » by **vaff87** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:50 am

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That’s interesting, because he’s never really gotten great grades for his speed.

emptytheclip · Post #4159 » by **emptytheclip** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:58 am

He’s at 20 stolen bases, caught 5 times. Bo is definitely aggressive, mostly stealing second base.

To put this into perspective, Jonathan Davis is known for his speed, he has an OBP of .392 and hits lead off, but has 15 stolen bases and 2 caught. Bichette has attempted stealing 8 more times batting second with an .392 OBP guy in front of him, so he has fewer opportunities to steal compared to JD but has 8 more attempts.

Earlier in the season, they tried to put a guy between Bichette (2nd) and Vlad (4th) to give Bo an extra opportunity to run bases before Vlad’s turn to bat. I don’t know if it was by design, but it worked pretty well until he fell into his slump and didn’t get on base a whole lot.

Since breaking out of his slump, he’s been very aggressive again with Bichette batting second and Vlad batting third. But unfortunately Vlad got injured soon after that.

vaff87 · Post #4160 » by **vaff87** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:03 am

emptytheclip wrote:He’s at 20 stolen bases, caught 5 times. Bo is definitely aggressive, mostly stealing second base.

To put this into perspective, Jonathan Davis is known for his speed, he has an OBP of .392 and hits lead off, but has 15 stolen bases and 2 caught. Bichette has attempted stealing 8 more times batting second with an .392 OBP guy in front of him, so he has fewer opportunities to steal compared to JD but has 8 more attempts.

My guess is they’ve encouraged him to add this to his game this year.