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Jays promote Sanchez
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 1:44 pm
by rarefind
http://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/2014/07/22/blue_jays_call_up_top_prospect_aaron_sanchez.htmlThe Blue Jays have called up top prospect Aaron Sanchez, according to various reports.
Sanchez, who turned 22 on Canada Day, was just promoted to Buffalo last month and was 0-3 with a 4.19 ERA for the Bisons.
Re: Jays promote Sanchez
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:56 pm
by Tyrone Slothrop
, walks the first 4 batters he faces, promptly gets sent back down to AAA
Re: Jays promote Sanchez
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:08 pm
by distracted
Dumb.
Re: Jays promote Sanchez
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:23 pm
by Garmfay
Sean Nolin v2
Re: Jays promote Sanchez
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:26 pm
by rarefind
Nothing works volumes for bolstering a young player's confidence like bringing them up to the majors when they haven't shown that they are ready or performing anywhere near their potential. Well done Alex, you never cease to amaze me this year.
Edit: Well i guess he gets to work specifically with Pete Walker now which... nvm.
Re: Jays promote Sanchez
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:45 pm
by Avenger
don't be surprised if he figures it out, Dellin Betances was walking 8 per 9 as a starter and immediately became a lockdown reliever when was moved to the bullpen.
Re: Jays promote Sanchez
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:52 pm
by T-d0t
Please for the love of God, pitch decent!!
Re: Jays promote Sanchez
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:03 pm
by Santoki
I'm assuming this was done in case Hutch is actually on some sort of innings limit this year. He's laboured and been mediocre to bad in about 7/10 past starts.
So, if Sanchez hangs around and it looks like Hutch needs a respite, he'll come in and get a test start. This has been on the radar for a couple of months now and the surest sign this team has no other option but to promote from within.
Re: Jays promote Sanchez
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:40 pm
by kwamebargnani
This is like JPR calling up Snider to save his ass. Go home AA, you're drunk.
Re: Jays promote Sanchez
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:53 pm
by Avenger
kwamebargnani wrote:This is like JPR calling up Snider to save his ass. Go home AA, you're drunk.
Except it isn't like that at all, Snider was this organization's greatest prospect ever and billed as an almost guaranteed All star, even casual fans know that Sanchez isn't that good and most expect him to fail.
So please make another useless comparison, looking forward to how you can manage to compare two wildy different scenarios and pretend they're the same.
Re: Jays promote Sanchez
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:06 pm
by rarefind
kwamebargnani wrote:This is like JPR calling up Snider to save his ass. Go home AA, you're drunk.
Sanchez is going to be capped at 130 innings, he has thrown 100. This move ain't saving anyone, even if there was no innings cap on Sanchez.
Re: Jays promote Sanchez
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:09 pm
by kwamebargnani
Avenger wrote:kwamebargnani wrote:This is like JPR calling up Snider to save his ass. Go home AA, you're drunk.
Except it isn't like that at all, Snider was this organization's greatest prospect ever and billed as an almost guaranteed All star, even casual fans know that Sanchez isn't that good and most expect him to fail.
So please make another useless comparison, looking forward to how you can manage two compare to wildy different scenarios and pretend they're the same.
Are you **** serious? What does Snider being a former top 10 prospect have to do with what I said? Snider started that year in A+ ffs. Above average numbers in the minors for his age, but still a premature call up nonetheless. Sanchez is pitching like crap in AAA but still gets a call up. Both players got undeserving promotions is the similarity. Or are you just so blind that you believe Snider call up was totally justifiable?
Re: Jays promote Sanchez
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:11 pm
by Randle McMurphy
Santoki wrote:I'm assuming this was done in case Hutch is actually on some sort of innings limit this year. He's laboured and been mediocre to bad in about 7/10 past starts.
So, if Sanchez hangs around and it looks like Hutch needs a respite, he'll come in and get a test start. This has been on the radar for a couple of months now and the surest sign this team has no other option but to promote from within.
I think it's just about Sanchez's own innings limit and the team having literally no relief depth right now. It's basically a win-now move. I'd be surprised to see him start another game this season.
Re: Jays promote Sanchez
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:17 pm
by Lateral Quicks
Santoki wrote:I'm assuming this was done in case Hutch is actually on some sort of innings limit this year. He's laboured and been mediocre to bad in about 7/10 past starts.
So, if Sanchez hangs around and it looks like Hutch needs a respite, he'll come in and get a test start. This has been on the radar for a couple of months now and the surest sign this team has no other option but to promote from within.
AA/Gibby have repeatedly said this isn't the case re: Hutch, but giving us... accurate... information is not their strongsuit, particularly AA.
Sean Nolin v.2 hits the nail on the head methinks. AA hasn't learned a thing.
Re: Jays promote Sanchez
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:20 pm
by Avenger
kwamebargnani wrote:Avenger wrote:kwamebargnani wrote:This is like JPR calling up Snider to save his ass. Go home AA, you're drunk.
Except it isn't like that at all, Snider was this organization's greatest prospect ever and billed as an almost guaranteed All star, even casual fans know that Sanchez isn't that good and most expect him to fail.
So please make another useless comparison, looking forward to how you can manage two compare to wildy different scenarios and pretend they're the same.
Are you **** serious? What does Snider being a former top 10 prospect have to do with what I said? Snider started that year in A+ ffs. Above average numbers in the minors for his age, but still a premature call up nonetheless. Sanchez is pitching like crap in AAA but still gets a call up. Both players got undeserving promotions is the similarity. Or are you just so blind that you believe Snider call up was totally justifiable?
Okay, you're argument is actually getting worse, i would think for a second if i were you.
Snider was absolutely deserving of that promotion, especially given the fact that it was a September call up. He wasn't "above average", he annihilated the minors that year. This is one of those stupid ass myths people use to explain why Snider failed, he wasn't pushed any harder than teams push really good prospects, there are dozens of examples of good hitting prospects who went through a similar timetable as Snider did.
Honestly, there is literally nothing similar about the two scenarios, Snider was actually expected to peform well and he mostly got promoted because the minor league season was over and they might as well have given him a taste of the show. Sanchez is being promoted because the team thinks he can do well as a reliever despite mediocre results as a starter, i'm not saying i agree with it but that's the justification in addition to innings limit and better coaching.
Re: Jays promote Sanchez
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:45 pm
by Marmoset
Lateral Quicks wrote:
AA/Gibby have repeatedly said this isn't the case re: Hutch, but giving us... accurate... information is not their strongsuit, particularly AA.
Sean Nolin v.2 hits the nail on the head methinks. AA hasn't learned a thing.
Sean Nolin v.2 is what is sounds like to me. Actually, bringing up Marcus Stroman as a reliever was Sean Nolin v2, this is v3. How did Stroman the reliever work out? At least they realized the mistake with Stroman fairly quickly.
I'm not a fan of fooling with the positions of your top prospects as a general rule. Leave starters as starters, leave a good 3B as a good 3B. Don't make your SG a PG. Leave a good centre as a centre, don't make him a right or left winger. Etc. I realize there are exceptions, but on the whole I believe this is the best approach to development.
Maybe this will work, it might. But I think it's poor management regardless. Sanchez hasn't really shown that he's ready; a few weeks of mediocre success with an adjusted arm-angle (or whatever it is they're saying) doesn't mean a guy should be rushed up. This is another desperation move.
Re: Jays promote Sanchez
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:59 pm
by Schad
Randle McMurphy wrote:I think it's just about Sanchez's own innings limit and the team having literally no relief depth right now. It's basically a win-now move. I'd be surprised to see him start another game this season.
Yeah, this. It makes sense from the standpoint of Sanchez, it's just sad that there's a roster spot in the bigs that he might actually improve at the moment.
Re: Jays promote Sanchez
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:26 am
by Michael Bradley
Lateral Quicks wrote:Santoki wrote:I'm assuming this was done in case Hutch is actually on some sort of innings limit this year. He's laboured and been mediocre to bad in about 7/10 past starts.
So, if Sanchez hangs around and it looks like Hutch needs a respite, he'll come in and get a test start. This has been on the radar for a couple of months now and the surest sign this team has no other option but to promote from within.
AA/Gibby have repeatedly said this isn't the case re: Hutch, but giving us... accurate... information is not their strongsuit, particularly AA.
Sean Nolin v.2 hits the nail on the head methinks. AA hasn't learned a thing.
There is no way Hutchison is on an innings limit with the way Gibbons has used him this year. Prior to the season, Alex mentioned that there is no innings restriction on Hutchison at all, and referenced Shaun Marcum as someone who threw 200 IP the year after TJS. Yes, the same Shaun Marcum that turned to dust two years later.
I was fearing this all season, and it's going to get ugly with Hutch. Either they will keep running him out there to watch him fail, or he'll get hurt. He doesn't have many innings under his belt to begin with. They'd be smart to shut him down after 130 IP or so, but I doubt they will unless he forces the issue (again, injured or performance tanks badly).
As far as why Sanchez is up, it's probably related to his innings and they feel he can help the big league club out of sheer necessity (AA can't add salary so he is screwed).
Re: Jays promote Sanchez
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:15 am
by kwamebargnani
Avenger wrote:[
Okay, you're argument is actually getting worse, i would think for a second if i were you.
Snider was absolutely deserving of that promotion, especially given the fact that it was a September call up. He wasn't "above average", he annihilated the minors that year. This is one of those stupid ass myths people use to explain why Snider failed, he wasn't pushed any harder than teams push really good prospects, there are dozens of examples of good hitting prospects who went through a similar timetable as Snider did.
And your "facts" are getting even further from the truth. Snider got promoted in August burning up his option unnecessarily. Also, slightly above .800+ OPS is hardly an "annihilation" for a hitting prospect, especially with his obvious flaw in laying off breaking balls. You say pushing prospects from A+ to ML in one year is a normal thing. Please, do let me know what other prospects in the history of MLB got promoted with similar production in the minors. Just look at some of the top hitting prospects. Absolutely no one gets promoted two levels, let alone three unless they're rehabbing, and even when they get promoted. That was a pure desperation move on JPR's part, and so is this one.
Re: Jays promote Sanchez
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:30 am
by Avenger
.838 OPS across 3 levels is domination at that age and he was promoted to the Majors as a 20 and a half year old, that's very young but hardly unprecedented. Roughned Odor was 20 years and 2 months old when he got promoted, he skipped AAA entirely and his numbers are slightly worse than Snider's, Xander Bogarts is another guy that went through the minors at roughly the same pace. There are other obvious examples like Mike Trout and Bryce Harper but i assume we're just talking about guys that could be compared to Snider's minor league numbers.