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Rhettmatic wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/571452572680261634[/tweet]

So I'm probably wrong in a simple way -- feel free to be condescending when you tell me so! -- but the 2.5M figure struck me as a bit steep for a guy who can't pitch. I know that's contingent on his making the roster but won't he really have to show something at Spring Training?

Rhettmatic wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/571452572680261634[/tweet]

So I'm probably wrong in a simple way -- feel free to be condescending when you tell me so! -- but the 2.5M figure struck me as a bit steep for a guy who can't pitch. I know that's contingent on his making the roster but won't he really have to show something at Spring Training?

Michael Bradley wrote:

Rhettmatic wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/571452572680261634[/tweet]

So I'm probably wrong in a simple way -- feel free to be condescending when you tell me so! -- but the 2.5M figure struck me as a bit steep for a guy who can't pitch. I know that's contingent on his making the roster but won't he really have to show something at Spring Training?

Since it is contingent on Santana making the team by April 28, there is very little risk on the Jays end. If Johan bombs, then the team loses nothing. If by some miracle he actually stays healthy enough to contribute in the big league rotation, then $2.5M is a small enough price to take a chance on someone who AA apparently feels still has something left in the tank. Personally, I don't like Johan's chances, but I don't think anyone could have predicted guys like Bartolo Colon, Freddy Garcia, Scott Kazmir, etc, coming back from their injuries/age and contributing at a high level, either. It's worth a shot, especially since the depth chart after Norris/Estrada (assuming Sanchez is in the pen) starts with Liam Hendriks.

NEW YORK - Johan Santana continues to make slow progress toward getting back on the mound at the Blue Jays' Florida headquarters.

Santana is throwing off flat ground and is rehabbing his shoulder through the Velocity program of weighted balls that the Blue Jays training staff has embraced as a way to strengthen shoulder muscles. The 35-year-old former Cy Young winner was signed to a minor-league contract in February and hopes to get back on a mound later this month.

"He's making some progress," manager John Gibbons said on Monday. "We've had a lot of guys who've had success with the weighted ball program and we hope it'll work for him."

Felix Doubront also is working on strengthening his pitching shoulder on the program. When he's ready, he'll join the starting rotation in triple-A Buffalo as organizational depth.

BigLeagueChew wrote:

NEW YORK - Johan Santana continues to make slow progress toward getting back on the mound at the Blue Jays' Florida headquarters.

Santana is throwing off flat ground and is rehabbing his shoulder through the Velocity program of weighted balls that the Blue Jays training staff has embraced as a way to strengthen shoulder muscles. The 35-year-old former Cy Young winner was signed to a minor-league contract in February and hopes to get back on a mound later this month.

"He's making some progress," manager John Gibbons said on Monday. "We've had a lot of guys who've had success with the weighted ball program and we hope it'll work for him."

Felix Doubront also is working on strengthening his pitching shoulder on the program. When he's ready, he'll join the starting rotation in triple-A Buffalo as organizational depth.

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/04/07/weighted-ball-program-helps-rehabbing-blue-jays-pitcher-johan-santana

Saunders originally had targeted opening day as his hoped-for return date. That was revised to the home opener next Monday in Toronto but now it has been delayed another week as he and the staff have been cautious in his rehab program.

satyr9 wrote:

BigLeagueChew wrote:

NEW YORK - Johan Santana continues to make slow progress toward getting back on the mound at the Blue Jays' Florida headquarters.

Santana is throwing off flat ground and is rehabbing his shoulder through the Velocity program of weighted balls that the Blue Jays training staff has embraced as a way to strengthen shoulder muscles. The 35-year-old former Cy Young winner was signed to a minor-league contract in February and hopes to get back on a mound later this month.

"He's making some progress," manager John Gibbons said on Monday. "We've had a lot of guys who've had success with the weighted ball program and we hope it'll work for him."

Felix Doubront also is working on strengthening his pitching shoulder on the program. When he's ready, he'll join the starting rotation in triple-A Buffalo as organizational depth.

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/04/07/weighted-ball-program-helps-rehabbing-blue-jays-pitcher-johan-santana

Also FTFA:

Saunders originally had targeted opening day as his hoped-for return date. That was revised to the home opener next Monday in Toronto but now it has been delayed another week as he and the staff have been cautious in his rehab program.

So, knowing how that goes, the All-Star break is starting to sound just about right.

Rhettmatic wrote:

Michael Bradley wrote:

Rhettmatic wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/571452572680261634[/tweet]

So I'm probably wrong in a simple way -- feel free to be condescending when you tell me so! -- but the 2.5M figure struck me as a bit steep for a guy who can't pitch. I know that's contingent on his making the roster but won't he really have to show something at Spring Training?

Since it is contingent on Santana making the team by April 28, there is very little risk on the Jays end. If Johan bombs, then the team loses nothing. If by some miracle he actually stays healthy enough to contribute in the big league rotation, then $2.5M is a small enough price to take a chance on someone who AA apparently feels still has something left in the tank. Personally, I don't like Johan's chances, but I don't think anyone could have predicted guys like Bartolo Colon, Freddy Garcia, Scott Kazmir, etc, coming back from their injuries/age and contributing at a high level, either. It's worth a shot, especially since the depth chart after Norris/Estrada (assuming Sanchez is in the pen) starts with Liam Hendriks.

I worded my post poorly. I just meant that a $2.5M base salary was high enough that I couldn't see him making the team unless he was really impressive in Spring, given how apparently tight our budget is at the moment.

But I agree that there's no risk for the Jays in giving him a look.

Parataxis wrote:

Rhettmatic wrote:

Michael Bradley wrote:
Since it is contingent on Santana making the team by April 28, there is very little risk on the Jays end. If Johan bombs, then the team loses nothing. If by some miracle he actually stays healthy enough to contribute in the big league rotation, then $2.5M is a small enough price to take a chance on someone who AA apparently feels still has something left in the tank. Personally, I don't like Johan's chances, but I don't think anyone could have predicted guys like Bartolo Colon, Freddy Garcia, Scott Kazmir, etc, coming back from their injuries/age and contributing at a high level, either. It's worth a shot, especially since the depth chart after Norris/Estrada (assuming Sanchez is in the pen) starts with Liam Hendriks.

I worded my post poorly. I just meant that a $2.5M base salary was high enough that I couldn't see him making the team unless he was really impressive in Spring, given how apparently tight our budget is at the moment.

But I agree that there's no risk for the Jays in giving him a look.

Is the base an all or nothing thing, or is it (like NHL 2 way deals) pro-rated for time spent in the majors? ie if he is in the clubhouse for half the season, he'll get 1.25m?