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Tulowitzki, Troy $20.00
Bautista, Jose $14.00
Dickey, R.A. $12.00
Encarnacion, Edwin $10.00
Martin, Russell $15.00
Donaldson, Josh $11.80
Storen, Drew $6.25
Estrada, Marco $11.5
Happ, J.A. $10
Chavez, Jesse $4.00
Izturis, Maicer $1.00
Saunders, Michael $2.90
Cecil, Brett $3.80
Smoak, Justin $2.50
Kawasaki, Munenori $0.50
Loup, Aaron $1.05
Hutchison, Drew $2.20
Barney, Darwin $1.05
Thole, Josh $0.80
Carrera, Ezequiel $0.50
Stroman, Marcus $0.50
Pillar, Kevin $0.50
Hynes, Colt $0.50
Sanchez, Aaron $0.50
Pompey, Dalton $0.50
Osuna, Roberto $0.50
Travis, Devon $0.50
Colabello, Chris $0.50
Delabar, Steve $0.84
Goins, Ryan $0.50
Jenkins, Chad $0.50
Jimenez, A.J. $0.50
Schultz, Bo $0.50
Tepera, Ryan $0.50
$137.79
Tulowitzki, Troy $20.00
Bautista, Jose $14.00
Dickey, R.A. $12.00
Encarnacion, Edwin $10.00
Martin, Russell $15.00
Donaldson, Josh $11.80
Storen, Drew $6.25
Estrada, Marco $11.5
Happ, J.A. $10
Chavez, Jesse $4.00
Izturis, Maicer $1.00
Saunders, Michael $2.90
Cecil, Brett $3.80
Smoak, Justin $2.50
Kawasaki, Munenori $0.50
Loup, Aaron $1.05
Hutchison, Drew $2.20
Barney, Darwin $1.05
Thole, Josh $0.80
Carrera, Ezequiel $0.50
Stroman, Marcus $0.50
Pillar, Kevin $0.50
Hynes, Colt $0.50
Sanchez, Aaron $0.50
Pompey, Dalton $0.50
Osuna, Roberto $0.50
Travis, Devon $0.50
Colabello, Chris $0.50
Delabar, Steve $0.84
Goins, Ryan $0.50
Jenkins, Chad $0.50
Jimenez, A.J. $0.50
Schultz, Bo $0.50
Tepera, Ryan $0.50
$137.79
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2016 is looking good. No more bad contracts like romero, reyes, and some degree navarro ($5M backup catcher and taking up DH at-bats).
With 4 starters anticipated by OP (Stroman, Dickey, Hutch, Estrada), we have ~$20M to sign a FA starter. Unfortunately I think it will take $30M a year to sign Price. So where can we save $10M? One solution is trade EE for a young bbat with controllable years, or package EE with Hutch and get a better SP. 1B/DH between Smoak/Colabello
Revere LF
Tulowitski SS
Donaldson 3B
Bautista RF
Smoak 1B
Colabello DH
Martin C
Pillar CF
Travis 2B
With 4 starters anticipated by OP (Stroman, Dickey, Hutch, Estrada), we have ~$20M to sign a FA starter. Unfortunately I think it will take $30M a year to sign Price. So where can we save $10M? One solution is trade EE for a young bbat with controllable years, or package EE with Hutch and get a better SP. 1B/DH between Smoak/Colabello
Revere LF
Tulowitski SS
Donaldson 3B
Bautista RF
Smoak 1B
Colabello DH
Martin C
Pillar CF
Travis 2B
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Really good job on that overall. There are a few I'd tweak slightly for 2016 though, mostly pertaining to the arbitration guys.
Donaldson's probably going to get closer to $7.5m than $9m as a second-year arb; Rivere will get closer to $6m than $3.5m; Saunders could be anywhere from $3m-4m...arb figures for injured guys are weird; Thole is almost certainly going to get non-tendered.
Smoak's a strange case; he got non-tendered and then signed for one year show-me deal at a major discount compared to his arb path previous. Probably $2m minimum if we opt to retain him, as he has had a decent enough year that someone'll be willing to give him a shot.
Estrada, I have no idea. If he keeps this up he could easily get 2 or 3 years and an AAV north of $10m a season somewhere, because the market for pitching is entirely nuts.
Beyond that, the pre-arb guys can be taken down slightly; it's splitting the finest of hairs, I know, but they'll be closer to $500k, which adds a mil and a half or thereabouts.
Donaldson's probably going to get closer to $7.5m than $9m as a second-year arb; Rivere will get closer to $6m than $3.5m; Saunders could be anywhere from $3m-4m...arb figures for injured guys are weird; Thole is almost certainly going to get non-tendered.
Smoak's a strange case; he got non-tendered and then signed for one year show-me deal at a major discount compared to his arb path previous. Probably $2m minimum if we opt to retain him, as he has had a decent enough year that someone'll be willing to give him a shot.
Estrada, I have no idea. If he keeps this up he could easily get 2 or 3 years and an AAV north of $10m a season somewhere, because the market for pitching is entirely nuts.
Beyond that, the pre-arb guys can be taken down slightly; it's splitting the finest of hairs, I know, but they'll be closer to $500k, which adds a mil and a half or thereabouts.
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How is Mark Lowe only on $150K?
He's basically making what a guy like Rob Rasmussen is making. That's crazy for the year he's having. He'll get a nice little payday on a 1-year deal somewhere.
He's basically making what a guy like Rob Rasmussen is making. That's crazy for the year he's having. He'll get a nice little payday on a 1-year deal somewhere.
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Santoki wrote:How is Mark Lowe only on $150K?
Prorated portion of $500k, which I believe is all he's making this season...hard to say as he signed a minor league deal with a major league option, though.
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Schad wrote:Santoki wrote:How is Mark Lowe only on $150K?
Prorated portion of $500k, which I believe is all he's making this season...hard to say as he signed a minor league deal with a major league option, though.
Ah, of course, prorated. That makes a lot more sense then.
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hyper316 wrote:2016 is looking good. No more bad contracts like romero, reyes, and some degree navarro ($5M backup catcher and taking up DH at-bats).
With 4 starters anticipated by OP (Stroman, Dickey, Hutch, Estrada), we have ~$20M to sign a FA starter. Unfortunately I think it will take $30M a year to sign Price. So where can we save $10M? One solution is trade EE for a young bbat with controllable years, or package EE with Hutch and get a better SP. 1B/DH between Smoak/Colabello
Revere LF
Tulowitski SS
Donaldson 3B
Bautista RF
Smoak 1B
Colabello DH
Martin C
Pillar CF
Travis 2B
I agree. I would give serious consideration to trading EE. We have enough fire power without him. Then again 10million for that bat is ridiculous value.
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Schad wrote:Really good job on that overall. There are a few I'd tweak slightly for 2016 though, mostly pertaining to the arbitration guys.
Donaldson's probably going to get closer to $7.5m than $9m as a second-year arb; Rivere will get closer to $6m than $3.5m; Saunders could be anywhere from $3m-4m...arb figures for injured guys are weird; Thole is almost certainly going to get non-tendered.
Smoak's a strange case; he got non-tendered and then signed for one year show-me deal at a major discount compared to his arb path previous. Probably $2m minimum if we opt to retain him, as he has had a decent enough year that someone'll be willing to give him a shot.
Estrada, I have no idea. If he keeps this up he could easily get 2 or 3 years and an AAV north of $10m a season somewhere, because the market for pitching is entirely nuts.
Beyond that, the pre-arb guys can be taken down slightly; it's splitting the finest of hairs, I know, but they'll be closer to $500k, which adds a mil and a half or thereabouts.
A lot of it is guess work. I've done some searching online and Donaldson was listed at closer to 9 million. Revere was listed at 4 million (we probably won't keep him at 6). I figured we would keep Thole for one year (Dickey's last) but even if we let him walk we will need to allocate a similar figure to another backup catcher, unless we go with Jiminez. The $500k guys I was liberal with because I figured most are due for some minor raise, but I think you are right that they will average out closer to 500 each.
Estrada is the hardest guy to figure out. He has had 1 really good season in a contract year and he is 28. Really have no clue what someone will pay him.
Thanks for the feedback I will adjust and edit original post a little.
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Yeah, Donaldson's tough to figure out. They tend to be a little reticent about going nuts with salaries in the first couple years of four-year arb guys though, because it scales so dramatically...I'd love to extend him before it gets there, because if he were to get $9m in arb this time through, we have zero chance of getting a reasonable extension done thereafter.
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Moving EE for a starter does make sense, but doesn't EE now have the right to veto a trade? If this makes the playoffs this year and tries to compete next year, I doubt he'll want to leave.
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Several arb eligibles next year, several important free agents and some salary room. Wonder if making the playoffs would convince Rogers to jump team payroll up a little.
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Made some updates based on some arbitration numbers release today.
Per MLB Trade Rumors http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/10/projected-arbitration-salaries-for-2016.html :
Brett Cecil (5.152)-$3.4
Michael Saunders (5.138) - $2.9MM
Justin Smoak (5.077) - $2.5MM
Ben Revere (4.149) - $6.7MM
Josh Thole (4.126) - $1.8MM
Josh Donaldson (3.158) - $12.0MM
Drew Hutchison (3.128) - $2.6MM
Aaron Loup (3.083) - $900K
Steve Delabar (3.008) - $700K
Based on these figures (I didn't include Thole) total salary went up by about 10 million (mostly due to Donaldson).
Per MLB Trade Rumors http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/10/projected-arbitration-salaries-for-2016.html :
Brett Cecil (5.152)-$3.4
Michael Saunders (5.138) - $2.9MM
Justin Smoak (5.077) - $2.5MM
Ben Revere (4.149) - $6.7MM
Josh Thole (4.126) - $1.8MM
Josh Donaldson (3.158) - $12.0MM
Drew Hutchison (3.128) - $2.6MM
Aaron Loup (3.083) - $900K
Steve Delabar (3.008) - $700K
Based on these figures (I didn't include Thole) total salary went up by about 10 million (mostly due to Donaldson).
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I don't see how AA pays Revere $6.7M with Saunders and Pompey ready to contribute next year?
If Rogers cheaps out on Price (which they will) here are some other bigger named FA starting pitchers available on the market that won't cost $250M-$300M.
Zack Greinke (32)
Hisashi Iwakuma (35)
Johnny Cueto (30)
The next best?
Jordan Zimmermann (30)
Jeff Samardzija (31)
Mike Leake (28)
Yovani Gallardo (30)
*could be missing a pitcher or two ..
If Rogers cheaps out on Price (which they will) here are some other bigger named FA starting pitchers available on the market that won't cost $250M-$300M.
Zack Greinke (32)
Hisashi Iwakuma (35)
Johnny Cueto (30)
The next best?
Jordan Zimmermann (30)
Jeff Samardzija (31)
Mike Leake (28)
Yovani Gallardo (30)
*could be missing a pitcher or two ..
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Wo1verine wrote:I don't see how AA pays Revere $6.7M with Saunders and Pompey ready to contribute next year?
If Rogers cheaps out on Price (which they will) here are some other bigger named FA starting pitchers available on the market that won't cost $250M-$300M.
Zack Greinke (32)
Hisashi Iwakuma (35)
Johnny Cueto (30)
The next best?
Jordan Zimmermann (30)
Jeff Samardzija (31)
Mike Leake (28)
Yovani Gallardo (30)
*could be missing a pitcher or two ..
You have to bring back Revere. Saunders is way too injury prone and Pompey is best suited as a 4th OF right now. With Pompey and Pillar's low salary you can afford to spend the extra money on Revere to be your leadoff man for 155+ games. Saunders won't last half a season and then you'll be relying on Pompey to play a major role again.
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Santoki wrote:Wo1verine wrote:I don't see how AA pays Revere $6.7M with Saunders and Pompey ready to contribute next year?
If Rogers cheaps out on Price (which they will) here are some other bigger named FA starting pitchers available on the market that won't cost $250M-$300M.
Zack Greinke (32)
Hisashi Iwakuma (35)
Johnny Cueto (30)
The next best?
Jordan Zimmermann (30)
Jeff Samardzija (31)
Mike Leake (28)
Yovani Gallardo (30)
*could be missing a pitcher or two ..
You have to bring back Revere. Saunders is way too injury prone and Pompey is best suited as a 4th OF right now. With Pompey and Pillar's low salary you can afford to spend the extra money on Revere to be your leadoff man for 155+ games. Saunders won't last half a season and then you'll be relying on Pompey to play a major role again.
They didn't offer Colby about the same amount of money to return and he was a better player producing more than Revere. With Saunders and Pompey as cheaper alternatives, I think we may see them pass on him.
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Wo1verine wrote:I don't see how AA pays Revere $6.7M with Saunders and Pompey ready to contribute next year?
If Rogers cheaps out on Price (which they will) here are some other bigger named FA starting pitchers available on the market that won't cost $250M-$300M.
Zack Greinke (32)
Hisashi Iwakuma (35)
Johnny Cueto (30)
The next best?
Jordan Zimmermann (30)
Jeff Samardzija (31)
Mike Leake (28)
Yovani Gallardo (30)
*could be missing a pitcher or two ..
Ugh, I'll pass.
I've read a report (Blair maybe?) saying that the Jays are interested in signing Doug Fister (who they tried to acquire before he went to Washington).
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Randle McMurphy wrote:Wo1verine wrote:I don't see how AA pays Revere $6.7M with Saunders and Pompey ready to contribute next year?
If Rogers cheaps out on Price (which they will) here are some other bigger named FA starting pitchers available on the market that won't cost $250M-$300M.
Zack Greinke (32)
Hisashi Iwakuma (35)
Johnny Cueto (30)
The next best?
Jordan Zimmermann (30)
Jeff Samardzija (31)
Mike Leake (28)
Yovani Gallardo (30)
*could be missing a pitcher or two ..
Ugh, I'll pass.
I've read a report (Blair maybe?) saying that the Jays are interested in signing Doug Fister (who they tried to acquire before he went to Washington).
Yeah, and apparently AA had a deal in place to bring in Leake if the Price deal didn't go down.
Probably two names to lookout for this upcoming off-season.
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Wo1verine wrote:Randle McMurphy wrote:Wo1verine wrote:I don't see how AA pays Revere $6.7M with Saunders and Pompey ready to contribute next year?
If Rogers cheaps out on Price (which they will) here are some other bigger named FA starting pitchers available on the market that won't cost $250M-$300M.
Zack Greinke (32)
Hisashi Iwakuma (35)
Johnny Cueto (30)
The next best?
Jordan Zimmermann (30)
Jeff Samardzija (31)
Mike Leake (28)
Yovani Gallardo (30)
*could be missing a pitcher or two ..
Ugh, I'll pass.
I've read a report (Blair maybe?) saying that the Jays are interested in signing Doug Fister (who they tried to acquire before he went to Washington).
Yeah, and apparently AA had a deal in place to bring in Leake if the Price deal didn't go down.
Probably two names to lookout for this upcoming off-season.
From what I heard, he actually had a deal in place for Leake that was blocked by ownership for $$$ purposes.
So yeah, he'd be an option too. There are a few other SPs like Wei-Yin Chen out there who would be good pickups.
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You have to bring back Revere. Saunders is way too injury prone and Pompey is best suited as a 4th OF right now. With Pompey and Pillar's low salary you can afford to spend the extra money on Revere to be your leadoff man for 155+ games. Saunders won't last half a season and then you'll be relying on Pompey to play a major role again.
I agree. Revere is a hit machine and he works well in front of Donaldson, Jose, and Edwin. I know Tulo's bat is going to come around but I'm not sure I would have him lead off in exchange for Saunders' or Pompey's bat lower in the order.
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bluerap23 wrote:Made some updates based on some arbitration numbers release today.
Per MLB Trade Rumors http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/10/projected-arbitration-salaries-for-2016.html :
Brett Cecil (5.152)-$3.4
Michael Saunders (5.138) - $2.9MM
Justin Smoak (5.077) - $2.5MM
Ben Revere (4.149) - $6.7MM
Josh Thole (4.126) - $1.8MM
Josh Donaldson (3.158) - $12.0MM
Drew Hutchison (3.128) - $2.6MM
Aaron Loup (3.083) - $900K
Steve Delabar (3.008) - $700K
Based on these figures (I didn't include Thole) total salary went up by about 10 million (mostly due to Donaldson).
I would let go of Hutchinson and Saunders. Frankly, i do not want see Hutchinson penciled in as a starter (even a Number 5 starter) for 2016. He has not earned that. Just let him go. That frees up an additional 5.5 M to spend elsewhere. Saunders is simply unreliable to play a full year. I am so sick of the phrase "Rogers Payroll" in justifying how Revere should not be back. Revere should be the starting LF of this team next year. No reason why Rogers should not increase the payroll 10-15 M dollars more to spend in the 150 M range, to bring all the pieces back necessary to put on a great team in 2016.