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Mark Shapiro a "strong candidate" to replace Beeston 

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Re: Mark Shapiro a "strong candidate" to replace Beeston 

Post#2 » by Schad » Fri Aug 21, 2015 1:46 am

I'm very much down with that.
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Re: Mark Shapiro a "strong candidate" to replace Beeston 

Post#3 » by Indiana Jones » Fri Aug 21, 2015 1:57 am

We need a president who's going to get us a grass field ASAP, and who's willing to fight Rogers to get an appropriate budget for a team that plays in a huge market.
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Re: Mark Shapiro a "strong candidate" to replace Beeston 

Post#4 » by Schad » Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:07 am

Indiana Jones wrote:We need a president who's going to get us a grass field ASAP, and who's willing to fight Rogers to get an appropriate budget for a team that plays in a huge market.


Shapiro's as good a bet as anyone in baseball if you're looking for someone who'd push for the field (and the Dome in general) to be upgraded. Really big on fan experience.

He's also as well-rounded a candidate as could be found. Came up on the player development side, transitioned into being a good GM, is now well-regarded enough in his role as President of the Indians that he was considered one of the stronger possibilities to replace Selig as commish.
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Re: Mark Shapiro a "strong candidate" to replace Beeston 

Post#5 » by Michael Bradley » Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:08 am

I'd be fine with Shapiro as well.
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Re: Mark Shapiro a "strong candidate" to replace Beeston 

Post#6 » by rarefind » Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:05 am

I can get down with that.
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Re: Mark Shapiro a "strong candidate" to replace Beeston 

Post#7 » by Randle McMurphy » Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:06 am

If that happens, you can almost guarantee AA won't be here next year. Have to think he'd want to be the #1 baseball guy elsewhere.
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Re: Mark Shapiro a "strong candidate" to replace Beeston 

Post#8 » by TheDoctor » Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:07 am

Looks like a good candidate with varied experience and minimal baggage. Could work with AA if he stays, or fine to replace him (and bring in his own underlings) if that doesn't work out.
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Re: Mark Shapiro a "strong candidate" to replace Beeston 

Post#9 » by Indiana Jones » Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:12 am

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Indiana Jones wrote:We need a president who's going to get us a grass field ASAP, and who's willing to fight Rogers to get an appropriate budget for a team that plays in a huge market.


Shapiro's as good a bet as anyone in baseball if you're looking for someone who'd push for the field (and the Dome in general) to be upgraded. Really big on fan experience.

He's also as well-rounded a candidate as could be found. Came up on the player development side, transitioned into being a good GM, is now well-regarded enough in his role as President of the Indians that he was considered one of the stronger possibilities to replace Selig as commish.


But he let Brad Pitt steal Jonah Hill, and then he fleeced him on that Rincon trade!!
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Re: Mark Shapiro a "strong candidate" to replace Beeston 

Post#10 » by Schad » Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:22 am

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But he let Brad Pitt steal Jonah Hill, and then he fleeced him on that Rincon trade!!


Want to know the best part of that? They fudged the timeline on DePodesta's hiring (who left when John Hart was GM of the Indians), and the only reason I can think of is so that they could re-use Shapiro later.

Let me repeat: they re-wrote the historical record in order to add more drama to a couple scenes involving a trade for Ricardo Rincon.
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Re: Mark Shapiro a "strong candidate" to replace Beeston 

Post#11 » by Michael Bradley » Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:01 am

If Shapiro comes on, then yeah, it's likely the end of the line for AA in Toronto. An established baseball guy like him will have a ton of connections and likely a big part in the baseball decision making, and I doubt he's going to want to work with a GM that he has no prior experience with. AA wouldn't like that arrangement either, considering he will have options in other organizations, most likely. Plus, it's not like Rogers would press Shapiro to re-sign Alex since they were ready to hire Duquette in the middle of the off-season last winter before that got nixed. Rogers clearly wanted to end ties with Beeston/AA prior to 2015. A playoff berth likely won't change their minds if they are already talking to Shapiro, and prior to that Dombrowski.

If Rogers can pull this off, then I'll give them props. Shapiro is a smart baseball guy, and as Schad mentioned, is well respected within the game.
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Re: Mark Shapiro a "strong candidate" to replace Beeston 

Post#12 » by North_of_Border » Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:10 am

This guy would be a Home Run for Rogers and the Jays. He is proven as a business guy and a solid baseball guy. Very respected and proven.

Id take this guy over Duquette and definately over Kenny Williams.

I think if the Jays make a good run he'd be obligated to get AA back. If the Jays falter down the road, he is perfectly right to move on and bring his own guys in.

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Re: Mark Shapiro a "strong candidate" to replace Beeston 

Post#13 » by Wo1verine » Fri Aug 21, 2015 6:37 am

A little Mark Shapiro trade history: (Very good)

Traded Casey Blake for Carlos Santana
Traded Sabathia for Michael Brantley
Traded Cliff Lee for Carlos Carrasco
Traded Bartolo Colon for Grady Sizemore, Brandon Phillips and Cliff Lee
Traded Ben Broussard for Shin-Soo Choo

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Re: Mark Shapiro a "strong candidate" to replace Beeston 

Post#14 » by Fairview4Life » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:54 am

Schad wrote:
Indiana Jones wrote:
But he let Brad Pitt steal Jonah Hill, and then he fleeced him on that Rincon trade!!


Want to know the best part of that? They fudged the timeline on DePodesta's hiring (who left when John Hart was GM of the Indians), and the only reason I can think of is so that they could re-use Shapiro later.

Let me repeat: they re-wrote the historical record in order to add more drama to a couple scenes involving a trade for Ricardo Rincon.


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Re: Mark Shapiro a "strong candidate" to replace Beeston 

Post#15 » by 0 - 100 » Fri Aug 21, 2015 1:48 pm

Looks to be a good candidate. The more I think about it, I don't think they give AA the president's role. The Rogers Centre needs major renovations, makes sense to get a good with experience in that department.

I hope he likes AA and extends him.
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Re: Mark Shapiro a "strong candidate" to replace Beeston 

Post#16 » by tempests_dawn » Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:05 pm

Michael Bradley wrote:If Shapiro comes on, then yeah, it's likely the end of the line for AA in Toronto. An established baseball guy like him will have a ton of connections and likely a big part in the baseball decision making, and I doubt he's going to want to work with a GM that he has no prior experience with. AA wouldn't like that arrangement either, considering he will have options in other organizations, most likely. Plus, it's not like Rogers would press Shapiro to re-sign Alex since they were ready to hire Duquette in the middle of the off-season last winter before that got nixed. Rogers clearly wanted to end ties with Beeston/AA prior to 2015. A playoff berth likely won't change their minds if they are already talking to Shapiro, and prior to that Dombrowski.

If Rogers can pull this off, then I'll give them props. Shapiro is a smart baseball guy, and as Schad mentioned, is well respected within the game.


I don't think hiring Shapiro means AA is leaving. We could apply the 'new presidents wants his own team' logic to any new president hire.

Seeing that AA's contract is ending in October soon, having BOTH the President and GM positions unfilled heading into the offseason is NOT ideal unless you think the entire front office needs an overhaul. I don't think Rogers is leaning towards that, since I don't see how Rogers can ignore the resurgence of fan interest in the past month due to AA's deals. At the same time, renewing a GM's contract should be the president's job, that's how the org structure works. I think this is why the Jays want to fill the president position ASAP so that they can begin renewing AA's contract ASAP
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Re: Mark Shapiro a "strong candidate" to replace Beeston 

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Michael Bradley wrote:If Shapiro comes on, then yeah, it's likely the end of the line for AA in Toronto. An established baseball guy like him will have a ton of connections and likely a big part in the baseball decision making, and I doubt he's going to want to work with a GM that he has no prior experience with. AA wouldn't like that arrangement either, considering he will have options in other organizations, most likely. Plus, it's not like Rogers would press Shapiro to re-sign Alex since they were ready to hire Duquette in the middle of the off-season last winter before that got nixed. Rogers clearly wanted to end ties with Beeston/AA prior to 2015. A playoff berth likely won't change their minds if they are already talking to Shapiro, and prior to that Dombrowski.

If Rogers can pull this off, then I'll give them props. Shapiro is a smart baseball guy, and as Schad mentioned, is well respected within the game.


I don't think hiring Shapiro means AA is leaving. We could apply the 'new presidents wants his own team' logic to any new president hire.

Seeing that AA's contract is ending in October soon, having BOTH the President and GM positions unfilled heading into the offseason is NOT ideal unless you think the entire front office needs an overhaul. I don't think Rogers is leaning towards that, since I don't see how Rogers can ignore the resurgence of fan interest in the past month due to AA's deals. At the same time, renewing a GM's contract should be the president's job, that's how the org structure works. I think this is why the Jays want to fill the president position ASAP so that they can begin renewing AA's contract ASAP


Agree.

Shapiro is still the president of another team and the season is still going on. Rogers clearly wants someone on board sooner rather than later. Having him on board during the playoffs (we hope) would be good as well - just to get a feel for this crazy fan base.
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Re: Mark Shapiro a "strong candidate" to replace Beeston 

Post#18 » by Schad » Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:30 pm

Wo1verine wrote:A little Mark Shapiro trade history: (Very good)

Traded Casey Blake for Carlos Santana
Traded Sabathia for Michael Brantley
Traded Cliff Lee for Carlos Carrasco
Traded Bartolo Colon for Grady Sizemore, Brandon Phillips and Cliff Lee
Traded Ben Broussard for Shin-Soo Choo

I'll updated his drafting history tomorrow (unless someone beats me to it)


His draft record isn't particularly strong. However, that's largely irrelevant for the job he'd be assuming; as President he'd help to set the overall strategy and sign off on certain things, but he wouldn't be making draft picks nor initiating trades.

But as a guy who knows baseball but whose primary focus would be liaising with the board, working on the business/infrastructure side, and providing cover for the GM, he's just about perfect.
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Re: Mark Shapiro a "strong candidate" to replace Beeston 

Post#19 » by Michael Bradley » Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:37 pm

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Michael Bradley wrote:If Shapiro comes on, then yeah, it's likely the end of the line for AA in Toronto. An established baseball guy like him will have a ton of connections and likely a big part in the baseball decision making, and I doubt he's going to want to work with a GM that he has no prior experience with. AA wouldn't like that arrangement either, considering he will have options in other organizations, most likely. Plus, it's not like Rogers would press Shapiro to re-sign Alex since they were ready to hire Duquette in the middle of the off-season last winter before that got nixed. Rogers clearly wanted to end ties with Beeston/AA prior to 2015. A playoff berth likely won't change their minds if they are already talking to Shapiro, and prior to that Dombrowski.

If Rogers can pull this off, then I'll give them props. Shapiro is a smart baseball guy, and as Schad mentioned, is well respected within the game.


I don't think hiring Shapiro means AA is leaving. We could apply the 'new presidents wants his own team' logic to any new president hire.

Seeing that AA's contract is ending in October soon, having BOTH the President and GM positions unfilled heading into the offseason is NOT ideal unless you think the entire front office needs an overhaul. I don't think Rogers is leaning towards that, since I don't see how Rogers can ignore the resurgence of fan interest in the past month due to AA's deals. At the same time, renewing a GM's contract should be the president's job, that's how the org structure works. I think this is why the Jays want to fill the president position ASAP so that they can begin renewing AA's contract ASAP


Anything is possible, but hiring someone with his experience level and telling him to re-sign an existing GM that he has no prior relationship with as his first act doesn't seem all that sensical. Most of his work will be unrelated to the day to day baseball stuff, but I'm sure he'll still want to hire someone who shares his philosophies on team building. If that guy happens to be AA, then sure, but I have my doubts on that one. Even AA would probably read the writing on the wall if someone like Shapiro got hired.
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Re: Mark Shapiro a "strong candidate" to replace Beeston 

Post#20 » by 0 - 100 » Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:38 pm

Shapiro, in addition to his duties with the Indians, serves on Commissioner Rob Manfred’s competition committee. He previously was a part of former Commissioner Bud Selig’s committee for on-field matters, a role he assumed since 2009.


Makes sense that Manfred recommended him to Guy Lawrence.

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