Tulo update: Gibby says he could be back vs. TB or BAL?

[Rhettmatic]

I realize this has been posted elsewhere but for anyone quickly cruising to the Jays board, we can post Tulo injury updates here.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/2015/09/13/blue-jays-gm-hopeful-troy-tulowitzki-will-return-in-october.html

he Blue Jays are “cautiously optimistic” that shortstop Troy Tulowitzki will be able to return within a two-to-three-week timeframe after suffering a “small crack” in his left shoulder blade in an outfield collision during Saturday's game against the Yankees.

General manager Alex Anthopoulos spoke to the media before Sunday's game saying that Tulowitzki will “hopefully” be able to return to the field in October, in time to rejoin the first-place club in the playoffs.

Also:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ShiDavidi/status/643085847479328768[/tweet]

[PurplePJs]

Blue Jays acquire Gold Glove infielder Darwin Barney from Dodgers

By: The Canadian Press Published on Sun Sep 13 2015

NEW YORK — The Toronto Blue Jays acquired some infield depth ahead of their series finale against New York.

The team announced Sunday that they acquired infielder Darwin Barney from the Los Angeles Dodgers in exchange for a player to be named later or cash considerations.

Barney, the 2012 National League Gold Glove Award winner at second base for the Chicago Cubs, is expected to be in New York for Sunday's game against the Yankees.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/2015/09/13/blue-jays-acquire-gold-glove-infielder-darwin-barney-from-dodgers.html

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This put a sour taste in my mouth after the dominance they showed all series

come back soon tulo

[hyper316]

it's one thing being aggressive, another thing is know the roles. there's a reason why there's a hierarchy in the fielder to precisely avoid injuries like that. Tulo should have said it was his fault and should have heard pillar calling for the ball. If not, he will be susceptible to future collision just like that

[Flight33]

Why is Toronto sports so cursed smh.

[IMAN5]

When I saw it happen I honestly didn't think it was gonna be that bad. Maybe at worst some bad bruising or a strain. To hear that a part of the bone cracked, even if it's only a little bit is rather concerning.

[LLJ]

Why is Toronto sports so cursed smh.

Any team with ownership that does **** like this:



...is kind of asking for bad karma.

Still can't believe it hasn't been defaced by someone yet.

[duppyy]

Why is Toronto sports so cursed smh.

Any team with ownership that does **** like this:



...is kind of asking for bad karma.

Still can't believe it hasn't been defaced by someone yet.

I'd do the same if I owned The Jays + Skydome

[Hoopstarr]

When I saw it happen I honestly didn't think it was gonna be that bad. Maybe at worst some bad bruising or a strain. To hear that a part of the bone cracked, even if it's only a little bit is rather concerning.

I immediately thought it would be bad. This is Troy Tulowitzki after all. He has played a 150+ game season twice in his 10 year career, the last time being in 2009.

[IMAN5]

When I saw it happen I honestly didn't think it was gonna be that bad. Maybe at worst some bad bruising or a strain. To hear that a part of the bone cracked, even if it's only a little bit is rather concerning.

I immediately thought it would be bad. This is Troy Tulowitzki after all. He has played a 150+ game season twice in his 10 year career, the last time being in 2009.

Yeah I feel you on that. My reaction more so was based on seeing two players collide without taking in if they were injury prone or not. I was just looking at the overall impact and thought both guys would be okay.

[IMAN5]

Why is Toronto sports so cursed smh.

Any team with ownership that does **** like this:



...is kind of asking for bad karma.

Still can't believe it hasn't been defaced by someone yet.

I hate that statue, every time I see it I just shake my head.

[Rhettmatic]

Why is Toronto sports so cursed smh.

Any team with ownership that does **** like this:



...is kind of asking for bad karma.

Still can't believe it hasn't been defaced by someone yet.

The Simpsons reference that brought to mind for me was the Jimmy Carter statue.

"He's history's greatest monster!"

[CrookedJ]

Why is Toronto sports so cursed smh.

Any team with ownership that does **** like this:



...is kind of asking for bad karma.

Still can't believe it hasn't been defaced by someone yet.

Sure its dumb to think people will like a statue of the owner...

But at least Ted Rogers was a lovable, sports loving owner that was part of their hey day..... ummmmm

Ted Rogers: the late media mogul didn’t pretend he was a rabid baseball fanatic. “I have to be careful how I say this,” he wrote in his 2008 autobiography Relentless, “but I am not really a sports fan.”

[Sherlock]

When I saw it happen I honestly didn't think it was gonna be that bad. Maybe at worst some bad bruising or a strain. To hear that a part of the bone cracked, even if it's only a little bit is rather concerning.

I immediately thought it would be bad. This is Troy Tulowitzki after all. He has played a 150+ game season twice in his 10 year career, the last time being in 2009.

Since the strike, I've only been a casual baseball fan. But as a fan of other sports including basketball, hockey and football, I find it incredible that baseball players get injured as much as they do.

Pitchers I get -- throwing a fastball 95 mph, 100 times per game is not a natural human act by any means, and I totally understand shoulder, elbow and other injuries that result.

But these guys in the field? I just find it hard to understand. I guarantee you that football, hockey and basketball players play their game every day with much more severe injuries than what baseball players sit out with. I guess if you have a cracked bone and you can't throw or swing the bat, you can't play. But you hear of NHL players playing with broken ribs and separated shoulders, basketball players playing with no cartilage left in their knees...just makes you question what a baseball injury really is.

I find it really hard to imagine Cal Ripken Jr.'s streak ever being broken given how all current baseball players appear to be made of glass.

[Natural11]

it's one thing being aggressive, another thing is know the roles. there's a reason why there's a hierarchy in the fielder to precisely avoid injuries like that. Tulo should have said it was his fault and should have heard pillar calling for the ball. If not, he will be susceptible to future collision just like that

Exactly. A couple weeks ago Jose yielded to Pillar on a fly ball tag situation. Everyone except Pillar knew that was a stupid decision, but because of that hierarchy, Jose yielded and avoided the collision. For the record, Pillar's throw was predictably wimpy and not close to catching the runner.

[G-Mac]

When I saw it happen I honestly didn't think it was gonna be that bad. Maybe at worst some bad bruising or a strain. To hear that a part of the bone cracked, even if it's only a little bit is rather concerning.

I immediately thought it would be bad. This is Troy Tulowitzki after all. He has played a 150+ game season twice in his 10 year career, the last time being in 2009.

Since the strike, I've only been a casual baseball fan. But as a fan of other sports including basketball, hockey and football, I find it incredible that baseball players get injured as much as they do.

Pitchers I get -- throwing a fastball 95 mph, 100 times per game is not a natural human act by any means, and I totally understand shoulder, elbow and other injuries that result.

But these guys in the field? I just find it hard to understand. I guarantee you that football, hockey and basketball players play their game every day with much more severe injuries than what baseball players sit out with. I guess if you have a cracked bone and you can't throw or swing the bat, you can't play. But you hear of NHL players playing with broken ribs and separated shoulders, basketball players playing with no cartilage left in their knees...just makes you question what a baseball injury really is.

I find it really hard to imagine Cal Ripken Jr.'s streak ever being broken given how all current baseball players appear to be made of glass.

The thing about baseball is the lack of breaks, and the every day wear and tare. If you get banged up, you cant take 2 games off and come back in a week. Every day you are out essentially is a game lost. Also, the skill it takes to hit a 95mph fastball certainly is very refined, so a small injury that impacts the ability to replicate the swing can really interfere with things...think golf. With hockey, the puck is lying on the ice, and easier to contact, whether or not you get a great shot off with an injury is another story.

I am kind of playing devils advocate here. Overall though it does seem kind of crazy how much time players miss with somewhat minor injuries. I would definitely argue some ball players do not appear to be in the shape of other pro athletes, which could certainly make them more prone to injury.

[Sherlock]

I immediately thought it would be bad. This is Troy Tulowitzki after all. He has played a 150+ game season twice in his 10 year career, the last time being in 2009.

Since the strike, I've only been a casual baseball fan. But as a fan of other sports including basketball, hockey and football, I find it incredible that baseball players get injured as much as they do.

Pitchers I get -- throwing a fastball 95 mph, 100 times per game is not a natural human act by any means, and I totally understand shoulder, elbow and other injuries that result.

But these guys in the field? I just find it hard to understand. I guarantee you that football, hockey and basketball players play their game every day with much more severe injuries than what baseball players sit out with. I guess if you have a cracked bone and you can't throw or swing the bat, you can't play. But you hear of NHL players playing with broken ribs and separated shoulders, basketball players playing with no cartilage left in their knees...just makes you question what a baseball injury really is.

I find it really hard to imagine Cal Ripken Jr.'s streak ever being broken given how all current baseball players appear to be made of glass.

The thing about baseball is the lack of breaks, and the every day wear and tare. If you get banged up, you cant take 2 games off and come back in a week. Every day you are out essentially is a game lost. Also, the skill it takes to hit a 95mph fastball certainly is very refined, so a small injury that impacts the ability to replicate the swing can really interfere with things...think golf. With hockey, the puck is lying on the ice, and easier to contact, whether or not you get a great shot off with an injury is another story.

I am kind of playing devils advocate here. Overall though it does seem kind of crazy how much time players miss with somewhat minor injuries. I would definitely argue some ball players do not appear to be in the shape of other pro athletes, which could certainly make them more prone to injury.

I sort of get it. I remember watching a Minnesota Vikings game back in the late 90s and they were talking about their then running back, Robert Smith. Robert Smith had been a sprinter in college and converted to playing football, but had a rash of injuries in the NFL in his first few seasons.

Anyway, in a surprising bout of insight, the commentator in this particular game talked about how athletes like sprinters are finely tuned human beings -- analogous to Formula 1 race cars. They were built for extreme performance and extreme speed, but even a small speedbump on the road could destroy them. Meanwhile, football players were more like a Hummer -- they generally didn't go quite as fast or handle quite as well, but they could handle the rugged terrain. He went on to describe Emmit Smith as a Hummer.

So on some level I can sort of buy the argument that baseball players are these finely tuned machines and aren't built to be as rugged or durable as football or hockey players. But still, I can't help but feel that many of these baseball injuries seem to be caused more by a lack of conditioning than from too much conditioning.

[Hoopstarr]

The more relevant distinction might be that baseball has a lot of sudden movements from stop to full effort. These are bad news for muscles and ligaments. Then there are all the types of collisions that aren't expected or can be braced for, like bang-bang plays on the bases and defensive miscommunication. The common thread is the suddenness of the movements because of decisions that are based on snap judgments.

[RalphWiggum]

Why is Toronto sports so cursed smh.

Any team with ownership that does **** like this:



...is kind of asking for bad karma.

Still can't believe it hasn't been defaced by someone yet.

Ya I don't know who's idea that was but it's a terrible one. Rogers has owned the team for what 11 years and Ted was around for 8 of them? During that time we never even sniffed a playoff spot and they have a statue of the guy who ushered in some of the highest cell phone and cable bills in North America and didn't own the team during one significant win?

I get the Ralph Wilson statue in Buffalo considering he owned the Bills for 50 years and did everything possible to keep them in Buffalo when moving would have made him more money.

But Ted Rogers...really? Nobody is walking by that statue with overwhelming emotion and reverence. Nobody is taking a picture with it? It's actually insulting IMO.

If somebody were to desecrate his grave I'd think that would be classless. If that statue got the ole Jebediah Springfield treatment I wouldn't bat an eye. I'd actually get the vandal a $100 Keg gift certificate.

[RalphWiggum]

I immediately thought it would be bad. This is Troy Tulowitzki after all. He has played a 150+ game season twice in his 10 year career, the last time being in 2009.

Since the strike, I've only been a casual baseball fan. But as a fan of other sports including basketball, hockey and football, I find it incredible that baseball players get injured as much as they do.

Pitchers I get -- throwing a fastball 95 mph, 100 times per game is not a natural human act by any means, and I totally understand shoulder, elbow and other injuries that result.

But these guys in the field? I just find it hard to understand. I guarantee you that football, hockey and basketball players play their game every day with much more severe injuries than what baseball players sit out with. I guess if you have a cracked bone and you can't throw or swing the bat, you can't play. But you hear of NHL players playing with broken ribs and separated shoulders, basketball players playing with no cartilage left in their knees...just makes you question what a baseball injury really is.

I find it really hard to imagine Cal Ripken Jr.'s streak ever being broken given how all current baseball players appear to be made of glass.

The thing about baseball is the lack of breaks, and the every day wear and tare. If you get banged up, you cant take 2 games off and come back in a week. Every day you are out essentially is a game lost. Also, the skill it takes to hit a 95mph fastball certainly is very refined, so a small injury that impacts the ability to replicate the swing can really interfere with things...think golf. With hockey, the puck is lying on the ice, and easier to contact, whether or not you get a great shot off with an injury is another story.

I am kind of playing devils advocate here. Overall though it does seem kind of crazy how much time players miss with somewhat minor injuries. I would definitely argue some ball players do not appear to be in the shape of other pro athletes, which could certainly make them more prone to injury.

Baseball players undoubtedly miss games with injuries athletes in other sports could easily and do easily play through. The difference is how exact a skill playing baseball at a high level is. If a pitcher is going to lose 3-4 mph and miss his spots by 6 inches he's essentially useless. If it's going to take a fielder an extra 1/5th of a second to get to the ball, another extra 1/10th of a second to throw it to the bag and once a night might throw off target by a few feet he's a gigantic liability. Baseball doesn't allow for players to play through injuries like other sports because the margin for error is so small and almost every injury increases the chances of those errors by a large margin compared to most sports. People laugh at pitchers with blisters and say "tough it out" not realizing they could easily tough it out but they would also have no chance at performing at the level required to get big league hitters out.