Don't look now...

[cram]

...but David Price has an ERA north of 6 and is by most accounts pitching like ****.

[Skin Blues]

It's standard practice to wait at least a week after a 14 K performance before writing off a 30 year old 5-time All Star. Dude's leading the league in K's and you're just sitting here looking at ERA. Do we really need another thread for low-effort crap like this??

[cram]

It's standard practice to wait at least a week after a 14 K performance before writing off a 30 year old 5-time All Star. Dude's leading the league in K's and you're just sitting here looking at ERA. Do we really need another thread for low-effort crap like this??

Just to be clear....I didn't say (nor do I think) that David Price is going to have a bad season. Just have to admit I smiled when reading all the "what's up with David Price?" stuff.

And contrary to your "leading the league in K's" comment, he's been pitching like **** relative to his norm.

[LLJ]

He's getting paid a gazillion more than Dickey though. He should be held to a higher standard.

[Raptor_Guy]

But he's 4-0 because he just knows how to win..

[SharoneWright]

didn't want him back for anything like ace money

[distracted]

But he's 4-0 because he just knows how to win..

Buehrle may have helped Stroman along, but Price got tips from a true winner: Drew Hutchison.

[The_Hater]

Maybe playoff Price has decided to start pitching regular season games?

[North_of_Border]

Boston Red Sox are leading the AL East.

To an organization with a winners mind set, That's all that matters.... period.

A win is a win. No matter how you get it or who gets it for you. End of the day a blow out is no different from a walk off. Just get it done.

Jays need to get into that mind set.

[RalphWiggum]

didn't want him back for anything like ace money

I would have been fine in the 20 million per, 5 maybe 6 year range (which would look bad now). Anything beyond that I thought was asinine. I had no issues with the Jays not even tabling an offer considering his demands. Another case of the grass not always being greener. He seemed comfortable and happy here and I think he'd be pitching better here if he signed a reasonable deal that didn't put so much pressure on him to excel like he has in Boston.

I know people will argue about "you can't leave that much money on the table" but people in other professions do it all the time. They got offered a huge raise to move elsewhere (when they are already making really good do whatever they want money where they are) and they pass because they like the people the work with, the city they live in and the their situation as a whole. I get the guy that can't pass up 5 years at 8 million per over 4 years at 6 million per. I don't get the guys like Pujols and Price.

[RalphWiggum]

Boston Red Sox are leading the AL East.

To an organization with a winners mind set, That's all that matters.... period.

A win is a win. No matter how you get it or who gets it for you. End of the day a blow out is no different from a walk off. Just get it done.

Jays need to get into that mind set.

Over 162 games that usually doesn't work. Numbers are very important in baseball, you can only defy them for so long.

[-MetA4-]

His hard contact % is through the roof. He's still missing bats, but he's getting hit HARD. We'll see what happens, but its hard to argue that he's just being "unlucky" when he's getting completely shelled.

Also; his fastball(s) today:

30 cutters thrown: 88 mph avg, 0 whiffs
27 two-seam thrown: 92.2 mph avg, 1 whiff
10 four-seam thrown: 92.5 mph avg, 0 whiffs

His velocity is STILL down by ~2+ ticks. He normally starts April down, but we're now in May and he's still throwing in that 92 mph range.

His fastest pitch today was 93.54 MPH. The lowest of his career apparently.

[Brinbe]

We definitely dodged a bullet. He's not gonna get any better with that reduced velocity. With a contract like his, you should be seeing the benefits of $200 over 7 years NOW. You accept the albatross in the latter years because you believe he can help you win now, which he's not. Between Panda and Price, the Sox are locked into awful contracts for a while.

[The_Hater]

Between Panda and Price, the Sox are locked into awful contracts for a while.

Don't forget Ramirez, Castillo and Porcello. $100 per for the 5 of them.

[Natural11]

His hard contact % is through the roof. He's still missing bats, but he's getting hit HARD. We'll see what happens, but its hard to argue that he's just being "unlucky" when he's getting completely shelled.

Also; his fastball(s) today:

30 cutters thrown: 88 mph avg, 0 whiffs
27 two-seam thrown: 92.2 mph avg, 1 whiff
10 four-seam thrown: 92.5 mph avg, 0 whiffs

His velocity is STILL down by ~2+ ticks. He normally starts April down, but we're now in May and he's still throwing in that 92 mph range.

His fastest pitch today was 93.54 MPH. The lowest of his career apparently.

I expect he'll come around at some point this year, but it is interesting to see his lack of success with reduced velocity. This contract could be a nightmare after 2 seasons.

[xAIRNESSx]

I mean obviously that contract was ridiculous and there was no way he was going anywhere else but Boston. If the Jays could've gotten him on a reasonable superstar deal, I would've wanted to keep him.

[dagger]

We definitely dodged a bullet. He's not gonna get any better with that reduced velocity. With a contract like his, you should be seeing the benefits of $200 over 7 years NOW. You accept the albatross in the latter years because you believe he can help you win now, which he's not. Between Panda and Price, the Sox are locked into awful contracts for a while.

We have a couple of those, too. I mean, Tulo is some power, and he's superb in the field, but for $20m per season with two more after this one? That's a hard swallow.

[RalphWiggum]

We definitely dodged a bullet. He's not gonna get any better with that reduced velocity. With a contract like his, you should be seeing the benefits of $200 over 7 years NOW. You accept the albatross in the latter years because you believe he can help you win now, which he's not. Between Panda and Price, the Sox are locked into awful contracts for a while.

We have a couple of those, too. I mean, Tulo is some power, and he's superb in the field, but for $20m per season with two more after this one? That's a hard swallow.

Much easier than 30 million with 6 years left. Can you imagine the heat Price would be taking here had the Jays gave him a contract close in dollars and term with our shaky start? I would've offered him 6 years 132 million (22 per) and I'd be drinking myself to death over it.

I know he's very likely to get better than his early season numbers but this is an absolute nightmare of a deal for the sox in a few years. Price isn't some crafty pitcher that's going to reinvent himself and figure out new ways to get out major league hitters. He's Verlander 2.0 with a side of ricin.