Jays Have No Intention of Signing Jose or EE

dagger · Post #801 » by **dagger** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:51 am

dagger wrote:Heyman says EE signing with Indians. Three years plus an option. No money details yet. Passant also saying same.

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dagger · Post #802 » by **dagger** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:54 am

Passan says 3 x $20m plus $5m buyout of option.

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polo007 · Post #803 » by **polo007** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:55 am

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rarefind · Post #804 » by **rarefind** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:56 am

A world series contender just got better.

Post #805 » by **Schad** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:58 am

So probably something like $18m/$18m/$19m, with a $5m buyout on the final season. Yeah, his agent bungled this one.

Edit: Passan corrected. So $65m guaranteed including the buyout. Probably maxes out at the 4 years, $80m we originally offered. Still bungled this one, but by $5m less.

TR50 · Post #806 » by **TR50** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:58 am

As a Jays fan I'm pissed and upset he's gone...especially to Cleveland...

But I'm not unhappy with how the front office played it. They had the price point hit on the nose. Whether or not they knew other teams wouldn't be interested, they gave a legitimate offer that holds water...as the past weeks have clearly shown.

BigLeagueChew · Post #807 » by **BigLeagueChew** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:00 am

So we get a late first round pick or the Indians competitive balance pick?

rarefind · Post #808 » by **rarefind** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:00 am

Why does Cleveland keep eating our soul?

dagger · Post #809 » by **dagger** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:04 am

rarefind wrote:A world series contender just got better.

With Carrasco and Brantley returning, they were going to get better anyways.

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Post #810 » by **Schad** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:05 am

BigLeagueChew wrote:So we get a late first round pick or the Indians competitive balance pick?

There's no direct transfer of picks anymore. We'll get a pick after the first round proper, while Cleveland's 1st ceases to exist.

He's the third QO'd free agent to sign with a different team, so the first round is now at least three picks shorter, and will likely end up being four or five, given that Trumbo and Bautista are still outstanding.

BramptonYute · Post #811 » by **BramptonYute** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:09 am

it sucks both parties involved predicted the market to go one way and it went the opposite.

Understandable, but it still leaves a sour taste in my mouth

Post #812 » by **TheDoctor** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:09 am

So his agent screwed this up. He and our fans would have been happier with the original offer right away. But he does just fine with 3 good years with a good team. Sad to see him go, but we likely played it right asset-wise.

KL78192020 · Post #813 » by **KL78192020** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:10 am

Schad wrote:So probably something like $18m/$18m/$19m, with a $5m buyout on the final season. Yeah, his agent bungled this one.

Edit: Passan corrected. So $65m guaranteed including the buyout. Probably maxes out at the 4 years, $80m we originally offered. Still bungled this one, but by $5m less.

And so did the Jays. A lose lose situation all around.

ldnk · Post #814 » by **ldnk** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:13 am

I understand the scenario that the Jays didn't want to be left with nothing when Eddie declined the 4 year/80 million dollar deal. I understand Eddie going elsewhere now that we really don't have the space for him in the lineup but I'm really going to stew when Pearce gets hurt for 2 months and Smoak is playing every day.

TR50 · Post #815 » by **TR50** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:14 am

ozzykhan16 wrote:
Schad wrote:So probably something like $18m/$18m/$19m, with a $5m buyout on the final season. Yeah, his agent bungled this one.

Edit: Passan corrected. So $65m guaranteed including the buyout. Probably maxes out at the 4 years, $80m we originally offered. Still bungled this one, but by $5m less.

And so did the Jays. A lose lose situation all around.

I understand why people think that...but they flat out rejected the 4/80 offer the Jays gave him. They didn't say "we need more time"...they simply said no.

Post #816 » by **Schad** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:16 am

TR50 wrote:I understand why people think that...but they flat out rejected the 4/80 offer the Jays gave him. They didn't say "we need more time"...they simply said no.

And stated at the time that he had bigger offers on the table. Which was either wishful thinking, or he thought that he could get the Jays to over a $100m commit. Whoops.

KL78192020 · Post #817 » by **KL78192020** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:17 am

Might as well trade Josh at this point, he is on the wrong side of 30. Time to rebuild. Jays are not beating a healthy Indians team, or the Red Sox.

TR50 · Post #818 » by **TR50** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:19 am

Schad wrote:
TR50 wrote:I understand why people think that...but they flat out rejected the 4/80 offer the Jays gave him. They didn't say "we need more time"...they simply said no.

And stated at the time that he had bigger offers on the table. Which was either wishful thinking, or he thought that he could get the Jays to over a $100m commit. Whoops.

I actually missed that...did he or Kinzer actually say that? That's just bad and grimy business.

If that is the case, the Blue Jays handled this as best as they possibly could have. They knew their price point, and stuck with it. If Kinzer/EE said they have bigger offers and rejected the 4/80 Shatkins offered, they had every right and justifiable reasoning to go after Morals.

Kinger95 · Post #819 » by **Kinger95** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:19 am

That'd be sweet if there was an opt out after 1 year. Then smoak would be gone and Pierce would only have 1 year left and be easily movable and we could potentially resign EE and not give up a 1st after he nets us a comp pick them a year lol

#dreamer

I do love the fact that we didn't resign a DH for 20 mill per and he got us a pick but sad to see him gone...

BramptonYute · Post #820 » by **BramptonYute** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:21 am

Kinger95 wrote:That'd be sweet if there was an opt out after 1 year. Then smoak would be gone and Pierce would only have 1 year left and be easily movable and we could potentially resign EE and not give up a 1st after he nets us a comp pick them a year lol

#dreamer

I do love the fact that we didn't resign a DH for 20 mill per and he got us a pick but sad to see him gone...

Lol that woulda been sweet.