Rogers' Blue Jays Went Cheap

leaninlurker · Post #1 » by **leaninlurker** » Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:22 pm

They wen't cheap't. Brought in these guys from Cleveland who haven't won anything, why? We had the best season in a long time last year so why then. The reason is because they specialized in being cheap. They didn't want to spend so we only got mediocre players before the trade deadline.
And that thing about ticket prices going up.

The_Hater · Post #2 » by **The_Hater** » Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:11 pm

Feel better now?

The payroll is actually up $18 million over last year and any current payroll issues were created by Alex Anthopoulos and all the huge salaries he continually added to the payroll. Atkins and Shapiro have actually done a fantastic job adding good players with limited resources and limited financial room or else we wouldn't even be in the pennant race right now.

Sifu · Post #3 » by **Sifu** » Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:14 am

Keep on lurking op.

T-d0t · Post #4 » by **T-d0t** » Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:16 pm

That profile name lol. On point

Raps in 4 · Post #5 » by **Raps in 4** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:59 pm

Rogers is one of the cheapest and greediest owners in baseball, this is true. But the current management group isn't bad by any means. I wish they kept AA, but I can't complain about how things turned out. With rumblings that they were after Dombrowski and Duquette, things clearly could have turned out much worse.

North_of_Border · Post #6 » by **North_of_Border** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 3:12 pm

Rogers is paying their share. Jays are not the Dodgers, Yankeesor Red Sox, but they are a highly paid team. Like someone mentioned, the payroll is 18 million higher this year.

Also Shapiro has done a great job. His hands were tied. AA put together a expensive roster, leaving Shapiro with little wiggle room even with that huge payroll.

Eventually in a season or 2 the team will regress due to old age. Most of our stars are "old". Thats when Shapiro's true vision will take effect. He will rebuild the team with elite prospects and ensure that our window to win is not just 2-3 years. Sustained success was always their goal. Jays will do what Boston and NY are doing, very soon.

Post #7 » by **Schad** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 7:05 pm

Your point about the trade deadline is almost exactly backward. We took on quite a bit of salary via Liriano; rather, what we didn't spend was prospect capital, in part because AA threw so many of them at deals last season. That's not a decision of ownership, it's a management decision to safeguard the resources we have.

I'm content with what management has done, and while Rogers will never spend as much as we would like (and perhaps as much as they should), we aren't exactly operating on a small budget, either. And we'll win around 90 games, so it's not as if results have been awful even with the recent downturn...the AL East has simply turned back into a meat-grinder, after a one-year reprieve helped us to a divisional title.

The_Hater · Post #8 » by **The_Hater** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 7:49 pm

Schad wrote:Your point about the trade deadline is almost exactly backward. We took on quite a bit of salary via Liriano; rather, what we didn't spend was prospect capital, in part because AA threw so many of them at deals last season. That's not a decision of ownership, it's a management decision to safeguard the resources we have.

I'm content with what management has done, and while Rogers will never spend as much as we would like (and perhaps as much as they should), we aren't exactly operating on a small budget, either. And we'll win around 90 games, so it's not as if results have been awful even with the recent downturn...the AL East has simply turned back into a meat-grinder, after a one-year reprieve helped us to a divisional title.

Your comment about AL east is an understated one with 3 teams still vying for the division title while the other 5 divisions already look to be over.

It should also be noted that the AL itself is significantly stronger than the NL mesas on and has cleaned their clock in inter league. there are no races in the NL with the 6th best team currently under .500.

Post #9 » by **Schad** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:11 pm

The_Hater wrote:Your comment about AL east is an understated one with 3 teams still vying for the division title while the other 5 divisions already look to be over.

It should also be noted that the AL itself is significantly stronger than the NL mesas on and has cleaned their clock in inter league. there are no races in the NL with the 6th best team currently under .500.

Three teams vying for the division, and another still well above .500. The Yankees are having similar issues; despite getting battered by the Jays, they were .500 against the AL East in 2015, and took the top Wild Card spot on 87 wins. This year, they're five games below .500 against the East, and very unlikely to make the playoffs despite being just a couple games off their pace of a year ago.

If we're talking about making good on last season's promise, no AL East team made the playoffs in consecutive seasons from 2012-2015; we're positioned to become the only one to do so in 2016. This division is hell.

Rapcity_11 · Post #10 » by **Rapcity_11** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:20 pm

The_Hater wrote:Feel better now?

The payroll is actually up $18 million over last year and any current payroll issues were created by Alex Anthopoulos and all the huge salaries he continually added to the payroll. Atkins and Shapiro have actually done a fantastic job adding good players with limited resources and limited financial room or else we wouldn't even be in the pennant race right now.

Also, the USD issue doesn't get talked about nearly enough.

Raps in 4 · Post #11 » by **Raps in 4** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 4:28 am

North_of_Border wrote:Rogers is paying their share. Jays are not the Dodgers, Yankeesor Red Sox, but they are a highly paid team. Like someone mentioned, the payroll is 18 million higher this year.

Rogers could easily afford a higher payroll than the middle of the pack bull **** they're committing to right now.

Rapcity_11 · Post #12 » by **Rapcity_11** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 3:10 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:
North_of_Border wrote:Rogers is paying their share. Jays are not the Dodgers, Yankeesor Red Sox, but they are a highly paid team. Like someone mentioned, the payroll is 18 million higher this year.

Rogers could easily afford a higher payroll than the middle of the pack bull **** they're committing to right now.

Middle of the pack....in USD. Convert it and it goes way up.

Raps in 4 · Post #13 » by **Raps in 4** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 3:15 pm

Rapcity_11 wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
North_of_Border wrote:Rogers is paying their share. Jays are not the Dodgers, Yankeesor Red Sox, but they are a highly paid team. Like someone mentioned, the payroll is 18 million higher this year.

Rogers could easily afford a higher payroll than the middle of the pack bull **** they're committing to right now.

Middle of the pack....in USD. Convert it and it goes way up.

What was their excuse when the dollar was at parity?

Rapcity_11 · Post #14 » by **Rapcity_11** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 3:24 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
Rogers could easily afford a higher payroll than the middle of the pack bull **** they're committing to right now.

Middle of the pack....in USD. Convert it and it goes way up.

What was their excuse when the dollar was at parity?

I'm not talking about then. I'm talking about now.

IMAN5 · Post #15 » by **IMAN5** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:59 pm

Didn't see these topics when the team was #1 couple weeks ago. This meltdown has been terrible but as many others have mentioned, management has spent more money. I've been critical but taking Happ at a much cheaper rate than Price paid off and will most likely pay off for the long haul.

Post #16 » by **Duffman100** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:01 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
Rogers could easily afford a higher payroll than the middle of the pack bull **** they're committing to right now.

Middle of the pack....in USD. Convert it and it goes way up.

What was their excuse when the dollar was at parity?

That the dollar wasn't always going to be at parity. Like it isn't now.

Raps in 4 · Post #17 » by **Raps in 4** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:04 pm

IMAN5 wrote:Didn't see these topics when the team was #1 couple weeks ago. This meltdown has been terrible but as many others have mentioned, management has spent more money. I've been critical but taking Happ at a much cheaper rate than Price paid off and will most likely pay off for the long haul.

People have been (rightfully so) **** on Rogers ever since they bought the team. The team winning doesn't suddenly change the fact that Rogers is a terrible owner.

Rapcity_11 · Post #18 » by **Rapcity_11** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:13 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:
Middle of the pack....in USD. Convert it and it goes way up.

What was their excuse when the dollar was at parity?

That the dollar wasn't always going to be at parity. Like it isn't now.

Who cares? All the matters is now and going forward.

Post #19 » by **Duffman100** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:53 pm

Rapcity_11 wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:What was their excuse when the dollar was at parity?

That the dollar wasn't always going to be at parity. Like it isn't now.

Who cares? All the matters is now and going forward.

It's true, as a business, let's never think of the future. Only the current markets.

Rapcity_11 · Post #20 » by **Rapcity_11** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:57 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
That the dollar wasn't always going to be at parity. Like it isn't now.

Who cares? All the matters is now and going forward.

It's true, as a business, let's never think of the future. Only the current markets.

Uhh, what?