2017 Budget = $165M

[Raps_Swingman]

Rick Westhead reporting that the Jay's budget is set at $165 shmill for the start of the 2017 season.

http://www.tsn.ca/jays-budget-set-at-165m-to-start-2017-1.636348

So who want's to do the current calculations? I'm not sure where to find the proper salaries....

[Schad]

Rick Westhead reporting that the Jay's budget is set at $165 shmill for the start of the 2017 season.

http://www.tsn.ca/jays-budget-set-at-165m-to-start-2017-1.636348

So who want's to do the current calculations? I'm not sure where to find the proper salaries....

Per Bluerap's thread, that means a shade under $25m remaining. Sounds about right; enough money for a couple good bullpen arms and an outfielder, and I'm guessing that they'll leave a few mil unspent to have some midseason flexibility.

[DreamTeam09]

So seeing how we spent 17mill so far, we wen't into the offseason with 43mill and couldn't get a deal with edwin signed, smh.

[Schad]

So seeing how we spent 17mill so far, we wen't into the offseason with 43mill and couldn't get a deal with edwin signed, smh.

We didn't think that it was smart to give him $20m+ over 4+ years, with the opportunity cost of a draft pick. Given that he remains unsigned, there appears to be some leaguewide consensus on that, though.

[The_Hater]

So seeing how we spent 17mill so far, we wen't into the offseason with 43mill and couldn't get a deal with edwin signed, smh.

We didn't think that it was smart to give him $20m+ over 4+ years, with the opportunity cost of a draft pick. Given that he remains unsigned, there appears to be some leaguewide consensus on that, though.

And it makes even less sense for an aging team that will be rebuilding sooner rather than later as it would for the Rangers, Indians or Red Sox, all of whom seem poised to have a solid 3-5 year run.

[Maddogfromto]

I wonder how we are so cash strapped
I know Tulo and Martin make good coin, the pitching staff as a whole is an unbelievable bargain for what they produce , same with Donaldson
Looks like we've seen the last of the playoffs for awhile, so much for Shapiro saying management appreciates the fans turning out in droves
I hope they still have those tarps for the 500 level seats that will be empty



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[Patman]

Rick Westhead reporting that the Jay's budget is set at $165 shmill for the start of the 2017 season.

http://www.tsn.ca/jays-budget-set-at-165m-to-start-2017-1.636348

So who want's to do the current calculations? I'm not sure where to find the proper salaries....

Per Bluerap's thread, that means a shade under $25m remaining. Sounds about right; enough money for a couple good bullpen arms and an outfielder, and I'm guessing that they'll leave a few mil unspent to have some midseason flexibility.

I hope not. It says that $165M is budget at the START of the season, so I hope that's our opening day payroll. There's no salary cap in the MLB, so the only flex the Jays need is for the owners to stretch open their greedy pockets a little bit during mid-season if we're competing.

[MavCarter]

lol i hate when fans threaten not to show up to games because of the payroll. You know damn well they could have a 200M payroll and casuals would stop showing up by july if they're losing anyway. If our attendance is sustainable for the next couple of years im pretty sure rogers will continue to increase payroll year by year, i mean win or lose sox/yankees fans are showing up to their ballparks. Rogers isn't going to go crazy after a year and a half of high attendance. I'm pretty sure they're spending some of the jays revenue on upgrading our crappy ballpark too

[Schad]

so the only flex the Jays need is for the owners to stretch open their greedy pockets a little bit during mid-season if we're competing.

Yeah, the only thing we need is for Rogers to suddenly shell out a bunch of money that wasn't previously allocated. Unfortunately not a thing that will happen, and thus in the two previous years our GMs have been mindful to leave some aside.

Remember a couple years ago in AA's final season, when the word was that our budget was going up, and there was much gnashing of teeth when the opening day payroll actually went down by more than $10m? That's because he set money aside to be able to add at the deadline, having learned the previous season that Rogers won't budge on budgets.

[North_of_Border]

EE rejected the 4 year 80 million. Though now he would accept less. Seems like a bargain. I think the Jays were too quick to move on. I mean ye there would have been less options if EE bolted later but is Morales really such a can't miss signing?...... if EE signs with Cleveland or some place for 3 years and 60 million. That's a Huge FAIL for Shapiro and Co.

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[Patman]

so the only flex the Jays need is for the owners to stretch open their greedy pockets a little bit during mid-season if we're competing.

Yeah, the only thing we need is for Rogers to suddenly shell out a bunch of money that wasn't previously allocated. Unfortunately not a thing that will happen, and thus in the two previous years our GMs have been mindful to leave some aside.

Remember a couple years ago in AA's final season, when the word was that our budget was going up, and there was much gnashing of teeth when the opening day payroll actually went down by more than $10m? That's because he set money aside to be able to add at the deadline, having learned the previous season that Rogers won't budge on budgets.

That's unfortunate.

[dballislife]

we need at least an outfielder, a good lefty, one more solid right hander at least for 6, 7th or 8th inning, and some starting pitching depth in minors

[C Court]

When EE turned down the Jays offer, his agent likely told Shapiro they were entertaining better offers from teams like Boston and New York. At the time, that seemed like a reasonable assumption. No one here would dispute that as being a legitimate scenario.

So Shapiro felt he had to act fast to find a replacement and he signed Morales. As we now know, there were no other better offers for EE. His agent was bullshutting the Jays.

But how were the Jays to know that? What if Boston and New York were actually interested and Shapiro waited only to lose out on EE in the end and have no replacement because Morales was gone? Then all the armchair GM's would be criticizing Shapiro for not being proactive.

[dagger]

I'm not sure anything about the EE situation shocked the Jays' management, since they didn't see their offer as likely to succeed. If there was a surprise this offseason so far it's the cost of rebuilding the bullpen and that Cecil signing by the Cards. I mean Cecil is a good reliever, occasionally excellent, often injured or prone to slumps. But what he got shocked the hell out of the market, the inverse of what's happening to right handed power. Now, if the Jays have $25m, and want a pair of relievers, plus an outfielder, they can allocate much of the remaining $25m - give or take a few million - to getting that done. When you think of it, it would have cost $180 million to bring back the same team from last year at the money the Jays offered EE and were on the hook for for Bautista's QO, minus what they shelled out for Morales. And that's without making the Jays a better team. They would be a fringe wildcard contender, maybe not even that if the old bats don't age well or the starting pitching staff has worse luck with injuries (when you think of it, except for a couple of Estrada starts and a bit of juggling with Sanchez's starts to get him extra rest, the rotation was injury-free.) I suspect the team's only hope to contend seriously was to get a Fowler calibre outfielder and a pair of relievers on what now seems like the cheap, though their offers now only look cheap based on how the market has shifted.

Now, their best bet might be to do a Liriano or Upton Jr type deal - either find an overpriced outfielder with a year left on his contract where his current team is ready to eat some money, or take him on full salary with a prospect as a carrot. I'm a believer, as I have said many times, that a rebuild is near, and the best strategy - though it would offend the casual fan - is to pick up future assets, either comp picks, or deal off current veterans assets for futures, only in this case prospects who are closer to the major league level than the best in our farm system right now. I suspect this is where we are headed for this summer.

I also think that payroll is fan thing. The team has a total budget, including draft bonus pool, international signing budget, etc. This year, they will be able to pay full international signing bonuses - the Guerrero penalty is over - and they have forked out millions for Lourdes Gurriel, which is something new for Toronto to get into the Cuban market. If they get a comp pick for at least EE, they stand to get a larger bonus pool for the June draft, even more if Bautista is picked up elsewhere. Gurriel will cost them $3.6m in 2017. Then there is the small matter of the Canadian dollar being down, and while the team is likely hedged, that rarely provides 100% protection own the downside.

[Santoki]

i mean win or lose sox/yankees fans are showing up to their ballparks.

Not quite true for the Yankees. Take a close look at the crowd during games. Lots of empty seats. Fans have been priced out there. I'd also like to take this opportunity to remind everyone we aren't even in the same stratosphere as the Red Sox and Yankees. We have nowhere near the history and commercial and on field success. And, likely, we'll never have it.

[Mehar]

I am the first to complain about Rogers and their Payroll parameters- but i am glad Rogers is spending at least this much. Last year- their opening day payroll was around 140 M if i believe. So, this is a good bump. Still would have preferred EE over Smoak, Morales and Pearce (make a combined 21 M or so); but EE was the one who refused the 80 M, and Shapiro had to do what he had to do.

[Skin Blues]

Crazy thought: we trade Devon Travis for a position of need of similar value, sign Edwin, and slide Pearce to 2B. Even with being injured so much, Travis has been performing well and is getting a lot of fortunate outcomes on balls in play despite not much power and plate discipline that is scarily similar to Kevin Pillar's. I'm getting a Lawrie vibe with him in terms of the talent, injury proneness, and the feeling of projecting his success in partial season(s) to a potential full season, despite being yet to actually happen. What could we get from the Dodgers for him? Wouldn't be surprised to see something happen, there, but it'd probably have to be for similarly cost-controlled talent for the Jays to consider it.

[The_Hater]

Crazy thought: we trade Devon Travis for a position of need of similar value, sign Edwin, and slide Pearce to 2B. Even with being injured so much, Travis has been performing well and is getting a lot of fortunate outcomes on balls in play despite not much power and plate discipline that is scarily similar to Kevin Pillar's. I'm getting a Lawrie vibe with him in terms of the talent, injury proneness, and the feeling of projecting his success in partial season(s) to a potential full season, despite being yet to actually happen. What could we get from the Dodgers for him? Wouldn't be surprised to see something happen, there, but it'd probably have to be for similarly cost-controlled talent for the Jays to consider it.

I have no problem trading Travis myself. His injury problems concern me.

The question is, what team is going to trade us a cost controlled corner OF?

[Schad]

Crazy thought: we trade Devon Travis for a position of need of similar value, sign Edwin, and slide Pearce to 2B. Even with being injured so much, Travis has been performing well and is getting a lot of fortunate outcomes on balls in play despite not much power and plate discipline that is scarily similar to Kevin Pillar's. I'm getting a Lawrie vibe with him in terms of the talent, injury proneness, and the feeling of projecting his success in partial season(s) to a potential full season, despite being yet to actually happen. What could we get from the Dodgers for him? Wouldn't be surprised to see something happen, there, but it'd probably have to be for similarly cost-controlled talent for the Jays to consider it.

It'd be selling low on Travis, and the suggestions of Pearce as a 2B are vastly overstated, IMO...he's 33 and has fewer than 250 career innings in middle infield. He can cover the position, which is useful, but that sounds like a recipe for Ryan Goins, Everyday Second Baseman to me.

[The_Hater]

Crazy thought: we trade Devon Travis for a position of need of similar value, sign Edwin, and slide Pearce to 2B. Even with being injured so much, Travis has been performing well and is getting a lot of fortunate outcomes on balls in play despite not much power and plate discipline that is scarily similar to Kevin Pillar's. I'm getting a Lawrie vibe with him in terms of the talent, injury proneness, and the feeling of projecting his success in partial season(s) to a potential full season, despite being yet to actually happen. What could we get from the Dodgers for him? Wouldn't be surprised to see something happen, there, but it'd probably have to be for similarly cost-controlled talent for the Jays to consider it.

It'd be selling low on Travis, and the suggestions of Pearce as a 2B are vastly overstated, IMO...he's 33 and has fewer than 250 career innings in middle infield. He can cover the position, which is useful, but that sounds like a recipe for Ryan Goins, Everyday Second Baseman to me.

How bad would Pearce be in LF? Saunders bad?