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vaff87 wrote:

North_of_Border wrote:Question:

Even if the Jays are over 500 by mid season and Boston offers Devers, Groome & a mid level prospect for Donaldson. Do you do it?

I mean the goal is long term sustainability rite?

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The goal is winning the World Series.

Privately, baseball executives will tell you that there is a small silver lining if your team starts badly: You have the flexibility to be decisive and to be aggressive in turning over assets rather than trying to keep up the pretense that you are contending.

The Jays may not reach that stage for weeks, or even months. Riding that pitching staff, they could quickly rejoin the pack in the AL East race. But other teams already are wondering what direction the Jays will take and who they might consider selling.

Schad wrote:One thing to maybe watch for: summer moves where we ship out secondary assets, like our veteran relievers, for international slot bonus money. Under the new system, there's a hard cap but teams can trade any/all of their bonus pool ($4.75m - $5.75m, depending on the team) as of July 2nd*. Teams can increase their bonus pool by 75%...for us, that would be up to $8.3m.

At the same time, the penalties incurred by teams that exceeded their pools in previous years are still in effect. Thus, you have a situation where a bunch of teams (including playoff hopefuls like the Cubs, Cards, Natinals and Dodgers) have $4.75m+ to spend, but cannot spend more than $300k on any individual player. While all of those clubs are big IFA participants, that's likely going to result in a situation where they simply aren't going to find, like, 15 prospects each in the $250-300k range that are worthwhile.

If as Dagger suggests we're hot on the trail of one of the top IFAs (and generally that means "have a handshake agreement in March that will not be announced until July 2") opening up another mil or two of IFA money could be more valuable than getting a couple lesser prospects.

vaff87 wrote:

Schad wrote:One thing to maybe watch for: summer moves where we ship out secondary assets, like our veteran relievers, for international slot bonus money. Under the new system, there's a hard cap but teams can trade any/all of their bonus pool ($4.75m - $5.75m, depending on the team) as of July 2nd*. Teams can increase their bonus pool by 75%...for us, that would be up to $8.3m.

At the same time, the penalties incurred by teams that exceeded their pools in previous years are still in effect. Thus, you have a situation where a bunch of teams (including playoff hopefuls like the Cubs, Cards, Natinals and Dodgers) have $4.75m+ to spend, but cannot spend more than $300k on any individual player. While all of those clubs are big IFA participants, that's likely going to result in a situation where they simply aren't going to find, like, 15 prospects each in the $250-300k range that are worthwhile.

If as Dagger suggests we're hot on the trail of one of the top IFAs (and generally that means "have a handshake agreement in March that will not be announced until July 2") opening up another mil or two of IFA money could be more valuable than getting a couple lesser prospects.

Who is this prospect?

Schad wrote:

vaff87 wrote:

Schad wrote:One thing to maybe watch for: summer moves where we ship out secondary assets, like our veteran relievers, for international slot bonus money. Under the new system, there's a hard cap but teams can trade any/all of their bonus pool ($4.75m - $5.75m, depending on the team) as of July 2nd*. Teams can increase their bonus pool by 75%...for us, that would be up to $8.3m.

At the same time, the penalties incurred by teams that exceeded their pools in previous years are still in effect. Thus, you have a situation where a bunch of teams (including playoff hopefuls like the Cubs, Cards, Natinals and Dodgers) have $4.75m+ to spend, but cannot spend more than $300k on any individual player. While all of those clubs are big IFA participants, that's likely going to result in a situation where they simply aren't going to find, like, 15 prospects each in the $250-300k range that are worthwhile.

If as Dagger suggests we're hot on the trail of one of the top IFAs (and generally that means "have a handshake agreement in March that will not be announced until July 2") opening up another mil or two of IFA money could be more valuable than getting a couple lesser prospects.

Who is this prospect?

No idea...he mentioned it here:

viewtopic.php?f=123&t=1551022&start=280#p54450271

2017 World Showcase Jan 07, 2017
PG Grade: 10
Eric Taniguchi Pardinho is a 2018 RHP with a 5-10 165 lb. frame from Bastos, Brazil. Medium, athletic frame with square shoulders, very nice build with present strength throughout, strong lower half and core which are incorporated into delivery. Primary righthanded pitcher, lots of tempo, rhythm, and balance to delivery, high leg lift up past belt, gathers over rubber well and and shows a long and fluid arm stroke through the backside working to a high three-quarters arm slot. Advanced ability to repeat delivery, especially for age, and remains on line with lower half directionality. Very low effort delivery and release, able to generate plane on fastball and showed advanced command of fastball that lived comfortably in the 90-93 mph range. Worked either side of the plate with fastball with intent, curveball shows downer life and 12-6 shape with late, tight bite at 79 mph, slider was just as tight at 81 mph with solid finish to the glove side. Reminiscent of Jeremy Hellickson at this age. Looks to be one of the top international arms for the July 2nd signing period. Named to World Showcase Top Prospect List.

Schad wrote:
If as Dagger suggests we're hot on the trail of one of the top IFAs (and generally that means "have a handshake agreement in March that will not be announced until July 2") opening up another mil or two of IFA money could be more valuable than getting a couple lesser prospects.

JaysRule15 wrote:looks like a solid prospect. Kinda wish he was a bit taller though. But HDMH right?

vaff87 wrote:

JaysRule15 wrote:looks like a solid prospect. Kinda wish he was a bit taller though. But HDMH right?

He's only 15 or 16. Will probably grow a bit.

JaysRule15 wrote:

vaff87 wrote:

JaysRule15 wrote:looks like a solid prospect. Kinda wish he was a bit taller though. But HDMH right?

He's only 15 or 16. Will probably grow a bit.

Yeah, true. Might still have a growth spurt left in him. Maybe he could end up being the Brazilian athlete Toronto has been waiting for.

dagger wrote:
I don't know if he would be the most expensive July 2 signee, or just a very good prospect.

vaff87 wrote:

JaysRule15 wrote:looks like a solid prospect. Kinda wish he was a bit taller though. But HDMH right?

He's only 15 or 16. Will probably grow a bit.