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ST: Nightmare April's Last Hurrah, Jays (6-16) vs. Rays (11-12), Apr 28-30

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Re: ST: Nightmare April's Last Hurrah, Jays (6-16) vs. Rays (11-12), Apr 28-30 

Post#41 » by Schad » Sat Apr 29, 2017 1:58 am

BigLeagueChew wrote:
Schad wrote:Not far from the pace of the worst team in the history of MLB, actually. The 1916 Phillies were 36-117, for a .235 winning percentage. If we lose today, we'll have a .261 win%...at the moment, we'd slot in sixth-worst in the 1900+ era.


Not the worst though!


Nope! That's the beauty of baseball: there has been a lot of baseball. You can be really goddamned bad and still not even be a medalist in the contest to be the worst!
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Re: ST: Nightmare April's Last Hurrah, Jays (6-16) vs. Rays (11-12), Apr 28-30 

Post#42 » by spykelee » Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:02 am

4 home runs in two innings. Great job jays... smh


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Re: ST: Nightmare April's Last Hurrah, Jays (6-16) vs. Rays (11-12), Apr 28-30 

Post#43 » by ldnk » Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:06 am

The Jays bullpen is an absolute tire fire. Send them all packing
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Re: ST: Nightmare April's Last Hurrah, Jays (6-16) vs. Rays (11-12), Apr 28-30 

Post#44 » by Lateral Quicks » Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:09 am

Sure, let's throw in some errors for good measure.
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Re: ST: Nightmare April's Last Hurrah, Jays (6-16) vs. Rays (11-12), Apr 28-30 

Post#45 » by spykelee » Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:09 am

Please boo this team off the field


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Re: ST: Nightmare April's Last Hurrah, Jays (6-16) vs. Rays (11-12), Apr 28-30 

Post#47 » by LLJ » Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:26 am

The party is over. It's time to send for a taxi and get people out of here.
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Re: ST: Nightmare April's Last Hurrah, Jays (6-16) vs. Rays (11-12), Apr 28-30 

Post#48 » by Mehar » Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:28 am

On the positive side- there will be plenty of great seats available in the summer, for fans wanting to see solid baseball played by the opposing teams. Looking forward to the 2018 Draft.
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Re: ST: Nightmare April's Last Hurrah, Jays (6-16) vs. Rays (11-12), Apr 28-30 

Post#49 » by dagger » Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:36 am

Mehar wrote:On the positive side- there will be plenty of great seats available in the summer, for fans wanting to see solid baseball played by the opposing teams. Looking forward to the 2018 Draft.


The Jays sold 2.5 million tickets for this season. People might not use them, but they will still do okay at the gate. TV ratings will fall.
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Re: ST: Nightmare April's Last Hurrah, Jays (6-16) vs. Rays (11-12), Apr 28-30 

Post#50 » by Schad » Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:37 am

dagger wrote:
Mehar wrote:On the positive side- there will be plenty of great seats available in the summer, for fans wanting to see solid baseball played by the opposing teams. Looking forward to the 2018 Draft.


The Jays sold 2.5 million tickets for this season. People might not use them, but they will still do okay at the gate. TV ratings will fall.


Best of both worlds: buy cheap tickets, sit in expensive (and paid for) seats!
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Re: ST: Nightmare April's Last Hurrah, Jays (6-16) vs. Rays (11-12), Apr 28-30 

Post#51 » by LLJ » Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:48 am

The Skydome might not be packed anymore for many RS games, but during the "bad years" (which is basically every Jays year since 1993 excepting the last 2) they still did decent during the summer. Many families taking their kids to the game don't necessarily care whether the team is good or not. Taking in Jays games during the summer is largely considered a family past time, especially when school is out.
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Re: ST: Nightmare April's Last Hurrah, Jays (6-16) vs. Rays (11-12), Apr 28-30 

Post#52 » by dagger » Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:53 am

I, for one, am not unhappy that the Jays are sucking. I would have liked a winning team, but the treadmill .500 team we had for many seasons was hard to take. At least there will be no illusions about rebuilding. Some US media have been saying Rogers wouldn't want to rebuild, and I believe that, so that's why a team this bad forces management's hand. As things stand, of all the injured players, only Sanchez seems close. Donaldson and Tulo just left to Dunedin to keep rehabbing there, so they sound as if they are two weeks or so away.

Bonus: Even Shillner will have to admit to what has to be done.
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Re: ST: Nightmare April's Last Hurrah, Jays (6-16) vs. Rays (11-12), Apr 28-30 

Post#53 » by Mehar » Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:02 am

dagger wrote:I, for one, am not unhappy that the Jays are sucking. I would have liked a winning team, but the treadmill .500 team we had for many seasons was hard to take. At least there will be no illusions about rebuilding. Some US media have been saying Rogers wouldn't want to rebuild, and I believe that, so that's why a team this bad forces management's hand. As things stand, of all the injured players, only Sanchez seems close. Donaldson and Tulo just left to Dunedin to keep rehabbing there, so they sound as if they are two weeks or so away.

Bonus: Even Shillner will have to admit to what has to be done.


Shillner just said that the Jays are 6 games behind a playoff spot with 139 games to go. He said that the tide will turn.
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Re: ST: Nightmare April's Last Hurrah, Jays (6-16) vs. Rays (11-12), Apr 28-30 

Post#54 » by dagger » Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:11 am

Mehar wrote:
dagger wrote:I, for one, am not unhappy that the Jays are sucking. I would have liked a winning team, but the treadmill .500 team we had for many seasons was hard to take. At least there will be no illusions about rebuilding. Some US media have been saying Rogers wouldn't want to rebuild, and I believe that, so that's why a team this bad forces management's hand. As things stand, of all the injured players, only Sanchez seems close. Donaldson and Tulo just left to Dunedin to keep rehabbing there, so they sound as if they are two weeks or so away.

Bonus: Even Shillner will have to admit to what has to be done.


Shillner just said that the Jays are 6 games behind a playoff spot with 139 games to go. He said that the tide will turn.


The tide will turn?

Six games behind at the end of April can also mean 30 games under at the end of the season.

This reminds me of Mary Chestnut, the Civil War diarist - she was a southern aristocrat. In December 1864, with the South being badly beaten, she wrote

"The deep waters are closing over us. And we are – in this house – the outsiders at the time of the Flood. "
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Re: ST: Nightmare April's Last Hurrah, Jays (6-16) vs. Rays (11-12), Apr 28-30 

Post#55 » by Schad » Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:13 am

Mehar wrote:
dagger wrote:I, for one, am not unhappy that the Jays are sucking. I would have liked a winning team, but the treadmill .500 team we had for many seasons was hard to take. At least there will be no illusions about rebuilding. Some US media have been saying Rogers wouldn't want to rebuild, and I believe that, so that's why a team this bad forces management's hand. As things stand, of all the injured players, only Sanchez seems close. Donaldson and Tulo just left to Dunedin to keep rehabbing there, so they sound as if they are two weeks or so away.

Bonus: Even Shillner will have to admit to what has to be done.


Shillner just said that the Jays are 6 games behind a playoff spot with 139 games to go. He said that the tide will turn.


Standing in the surf and yelling at the tide to turn has a bad historical success rate.

Also, while we're a mere six games out of the playoffs, we're also the only team in baseball that is six games out of the playoffs.
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Re: ST: Nightmare April's Last Hurrah, Jays (6-16) vs. Rays (11-12), Apr 28-30 

Post#56 » by LLJ » Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:48 am

To be honest, I'm afraid that the tide will turn a bit and they get back to within a game or two of .500 a month from now and then no moves are made because hey, we're "getting it together now."
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Re: ST: Nightmare April's Last Hurrah, Jays (6-16) vs. Rays (11-12), Apr 28-30 

Post#57 » by Brinbe » Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:50 am

Blow.It.Up

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Post#58 » by Schad » Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:50 am

LLJ wrote:To be honest, I'm afraid that the tide will turn a bit and they get back to within a game or two of .500 a month from now and then no moves are made because hey, we're "getting it together now."


i get the impression that Shapiro and Atkins have had their finger poised above the button from the moment they took over. If we're within a game or two of .500 at the end of May (and even that would be a Herculean effort) they aren't likely to go nuts.
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Post#59 » by CB4real » Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:23 am

#firecasey I mean #firegibbons

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Re: ST: Nightmare April's Last Hurrah, Jays (6-16) vs. Rays (11-12), Apr 28-30 

Post#60 » by JaysRule15 » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:15 am

I hope that when we blow it up, Shillner is one of the people we trade away. Dude is awful. He's deluding the casuals into thinking that this is just a blip and we're still a contender. Completely ignoring the downward trend that this team started on last year and is continuing this season. The casuals will believe Shillner and then hate on Shapiro for gutting the team when he starts the inevitable rebuild. If the media starts selling the idea of a possible rebuild, maybe the fans would lower their expectations and put less pressure on Shapiro, which would make it easier for him to take his time with a proper rebuild. The Leafs media finally realized this. They backed off and let the Leafs management tank in peace. As a result, the majority of fans embraced the process as well. I hope the Jays media can do the same thing.
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