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dagger · Post #1 » by **dagger** » Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:07 pm

1. If there is any trade interest in an expiring, deal him
2. Shut down Osuna on Sept 1, if not sooner. Have Barnes, Tepera close
2. Put Carlos Ramirez on the 40 man roster and bring up
3. Call up Dwight Smith Jr, Teoscar Hernandez and Anthony Alford - play them every day, mix in Pillar. Jose and Morales can take turns DH-ing.
4. Shut Martin down, move him to the 60-day DL
5. DFA Lopez. Put Reese McGuire on 40 man roster. He and Luke Maille catch the rest of the season
6. Give Sanchez a few innings in the pen, then give him a couple of 3-4 inning starts to see if the finger holds up

MvGuire, BTW, was 3-5 today with a double and has been hitting at a torrid rate since his rehab. He's known as a good defensive C. And with Jansen coming along, it's probably a good idea IMO to give McGuire a bit of shove into the spotlight so we get a gauge of his game.

johanliebert · Post #2 » by **johanliebert** » Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:20 pm

This ain't mlb the show/. You have no say in what they do.

Lastly they ran through those points months back possibly in may

Lateral Quicks · Post #3 » by **Lateral Quicks** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:12 am

I like your list dagger, except #5. I'd give Raffy more of a look, and it's premature to bring McGuire along. If I were to promote a catcher, it would be Jansen. It is extremely encouraging what McGuire is doing, though.

Post #4 » by **Schad** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:23 am

I can get behind most of it, but I wouldn't rush the catching prospects. Jansen needs reps to refine his defense as much as anything; McGuire needs at-bats to demonstrate that this isn't just a short hot stretch. Both Jansen/McGuire have another year until they need to be on the 40-man if memory serves, and we're going to have a bit of a roster crunch in the offseason.

Post #5 » by **JaysRule15** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:47 am

Agreed with all of your points.

I would be fine with bringing a guy like MCGuire up in September once the minor league season finishes. From reports, McGuire's defense is already major league ready, and he's had a good stretch with the bat lately. Will be interesting to see if that offense carries over to the majors and if we can count on McGuire playing for us next season. If we can, it becomes a lot easier to eat Martin's contract and move him this offseason while he can still fetch something back for us.

Not sure about Sanchez though. I just don't see the value of him relieving in a lost season. I'd just shut him down and and focus on him getting that finger/blister/whatever it is now getting 100% healed up for next season.

Oh, and Osuna. I'd shut him down tonight. It's obvious that he's dealing with some type of injury or fatigue. He velo constantly fluctuates and his location has been off. No sense in abusing his arm further and making it worse, as well as killing his offseason trade value if we decide to go that route.

Raps_Swingman · Post #6 » by **Raps_Swingman** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:38 pm

dagger wrote:1. If there is any trade interest in an expiring, deal him
2. Shut down Osuna on Sept 1, if not sooner. Have Barnes, Tepera close
2. Put Carlos Ramirez on the 40 man roster and bring up
3. Call up Dwight Smith Jr, Teoscar Hernandez and Anthony Alford - play them every day, mix in Pillar. Jose and Morales can take turns DH-ing.
4. Shut Martin down, move him to the 60-day DL
5. DFA Lopez. Put Reese McGuire on 40 man roster. He and Luke Maille catch the rest of the season
6. Give Sanchez a few innings in the pen, then give him a couple of 3-4 inning starts to see if the finger holds up

MvGuire, BTW, was 3-5 today with a double and has been hitting at a torrid rate since his rehab. He's known as a good defensive C. And with Jansen coming along, it's probably a good idea IMO to give McGuire a bit of shove into the spotlight so we get a gauge of his game.

1. Yes
2. Yes. Would love to see Carlos up with us, especially at our current position. He's got closer or setup man potential.
3. Yes, play these guys. See what they have. Because at this point 1-2 of them are probably on the roster next year.
4. I understand the logic, but I think Martin will be back and he's good for our pitchers to have. Maybe just manage his reps.
5. Catchers, am I right....I wouldn't mind seeing more of Raffy. Maile is useless to me.
6. Shut him down, no point in him getting hurt again.

At this point I'd be more interested to watch this team with some fresh faces. It would make the last month or so more exciting at least, no matter the wins/losses.

dagger · Post #7 » by **dagger** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:32 pm

Closing down Osuna would also allow the team to see if periods of extended rest - say 2-3 weeks at a time, then throw on the side - will rescue his velocity.

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torontoaces04 · Post #8 » by **torontoaces04** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:29 pm

johanliebert · Post #9 » by **johanliebert** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:21 pm

^^^^^^

johanliebert · Post #10 » by **johanliebert** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:24 pm

Raps_Swingman wrote:
dagger wrote:1. If there is any trade interest in an expiring, deal him
2. Shut down Osuna on Sept 1, if not sooner. Have Barnes, Tepera close
2. Put Carlos Ramirez on the 40 man roster and bring up
3. Call up Dwight Smith Jr, Teoscar Hernandez and Anthony Alford - play them every day, mix in Pillar. Jose and Morales can take turns DH-ing.
4. Shut Martin down, move him to the 60-day DL
5. DFA Lopez. Put Reese McGuire on 40 man roster. He and Luke Maille catch the rest of the season
6. Give Sanchez a few innings in the pen, then give him a couple of 3-4 inning starts to see if the finger holds up

MvGuire, BTW, was 3-5 today with a double and has been hitting at a torrid rate since his rehab. He's known as a good defensive C. And with Jansen coming along, it's probably a good idea IMO to give McGuire a bit of shove into the spotlight so we get a gauge of his game.

1. Yes
2. Yes. Would love to see Carlos up with us, especially at our current position. He's got closer or setup man potential.
3. Yes, play these guys. See what they have. Because at this point 1-2 of them are probably on the roster next year.
4. I understand the logic, but I think Martin will be back and he's good for our pitchers to have. Maybe just manage his reps.
5. Catchers, am I right....I wouldn't mind seeing more of Raffy. Maile is useless to me.
6. Shut him down, no point in him getting hurt again.

At this point I'd be more interested to watch this team with some fresh faces. It would make the last month or so more exciting at least, no matter the wins/losses.

rest really isn't going to help aaron..this isn't a arm issue hes getting blisters. at some point hes going to have to get used to these new baseballs and get reps in this season. you aren't risking a thing having him out the bp..its too late for him to get enough rehab games to start.

in the real world when teams throw the white flags and have rookies start the majority of September fans stop coming to see the games and ratings drop.

fouronesix22 · Post #11 » by **fouronesix22** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:06 pm

Agree with all especially number 1, 3 and 5. I've been wanting to see Alford, Smith Jr play for a while now. And now that we have Hernandez throw him in there aswell.

SharoneWright · Post #12 » by **SharoneWright** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 3:16 am

JD at short. Jose at 3rd. Profit.

flatjacket1 · Post #13 » by **flatjacket1** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:10 pm

1. I would DFA or waiver trade Carerra (to a contender for 1$). Although he has been great for us the last few years and seems just all around to play the game the right way, hard to argue he will get much playing time in September or re-sign (we wouldn't offer him a contract).

2. Pearce should get some time at 2B, not consistently but if he can prove he can handle small amounts of 2B that could bode well for next season.

3. I agree with Jose DHing with Morales, it's unfair to DFA him as his career was one of the best in Jays history but I believe it is fair to say he isn't in the plan long term.

4. In terms of the bullpen I think Osuna should be used much more sparingly, sure he could use the rest but not throwing a ball for 7 months would be a bad idea for his future. He is no doubt being over used at this point.

Other than that it's really about seeing which of the 7 possible OFers will be up next season.

Tanner · Post #14 » by **Tanner** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:27 pm

Am I missing something? Why shut Osuna down? Decreased velocity? Unless it is due to injury or a workload issue, you won't see too many teams operate that way. Don't pitch him 4 times in 5 days anymore, but there are ways to limit his workload and still keep him out there.

McGuire has to be added to the 40 man next year but I don't think it is necessary to bring him up. The team needs to get younger but they need to look at development. He is in AA right now and only has about 100 plate appearances of real success with the stick. Let him build off that next year. Don't kill his confidence by getting exposed in the bigs, especially with Montero, Lopez, and Maile can cover catcher for the rest of the season.

Hernandez does not look good in AAA but him and Smith Jr are the OFs I'd call up. If Alford is a 2018 option then call him up too, but don't waste his service clock if he is going to ride the pine in September. The team already lost some days when he was on the DL.

flatjacket1 · Post #15 » by **flatjacket1** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:11 pm

Tanner wrote:Am I missing something? Why shut Osuna down? Decreased velocity? Unless it is due to injury or a workload issue, you won't see too many teams operate that way. Don't pitch him 4 times in 5 days anymore, but there are ways to limit his workload and still keep him out there.

McGuire has to be added to the 40 man next year but I don't think it is necessary to bring him up. The team needs to get younger but they need to look at development. He is in AA right now and only has about 100 plate appearances of real success with the stick. Let him build off that next year. Don't kill his confidence by getting exposed in the bigs, especially with Montero, Lopez, and Maile can cover catcher for the rest of the season.

Hernandez does not look good in AAA but him and Smith Jr are the OFs I'd call up. If Alford is a 2018 option then call him up too, but don't waste his service clock if he is going to ride the pine in September. The team already lost some days when he was on the DL.

It is a workload issue. The last 2 years he's been our only bullpen arm in last 5 weeks of the season last year he set a 5 week career high by a significant amount. Now he is struggling which is really expect due to the amount he has thrown. Bullpen pitching every 4th day is still comparable to starting in a lot of ways. The amount of warmup pitches (due to the speed you need to be ready) is much higher than a SP. You need to ramp it up to max effort within 5-10 mins to be throwing in a game. Also you get sat down the odd time, and 4 out saves you have to throw more pitches to warm up in the 9th after already getting warm in the 8th. Also you throw side sessions way more frequently than starters.

Overall if Osuna is not currently injured, he should be. Absolutely abused.

I tend to agree where Lopez should get a real shot. Looks to be at least average defensively (obviously had a big mix up but guys who have caught 5 years in bigs have done comparably dumb stuff) and might be able to figure it out with the stick. Could be an asset IMO. I do love McGuire though, I would agree with DFAing Lopez if he can't figure it out by the end of the year to make room for McGuire. Maile is easily one of our best backup C's in recent memory, I hope he get's that role next year assuming everybody plays as expected.

Agree with leaving Alford down. As much as it'd be nice to see him up really no point because Dwight Smith Jr. will either need to be traded on the 25 man next year (most likely). Alford you can easily plug in AAA next year for a full season regardless of success.