Orioles listening on Machado, why not Donaldson?

[Raptors Realtor]

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What's your asking price for Donaldson? Who would want in return.

Since the Jays organization is "intending" to compete this season, I'd take Reyes & Dejong, but doubtful the Cards do that.

[Schad]

Flaherty, Dakota Hudson, Gyorko and a flier would get it done for me. I like Flaherty more than Reyes owing to consistency (still think Reyes ends up as a very nasty closer), and think he could slot in immediately. Hudson's a fast-mover with a big arm who could be great if he misses a few bats, and Gyorko's a league-average 3B on a solid deal.

[Tanner]

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I am curious what kind of offers they are getting for him.

[BramptonYute]

I wonder who the other two teams are

[metafisical]

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I am curious what kind of offers they are getting for him.

Like you mentioned yesterday, I am hoping that "no intention to trade whatsoever" means "sweeten the pot a bit more", and not "I don't care if you offer us enough assets to make us World Series contenders in 2-3 years time, Donaldson is staying with us at all costs".

[Schad]

Unfortunately, it likely means the latter. The only scenario where I could see us trading Donaldson is in a Gord Ash style deal for a name veteran with a year or two of extra control.

[Tanner]

I'm sure there is an offer that could make Shapiro go to Rogers and sell the idea of trading him, but it would have to be a deal that doesn't hurt the 2018 team while simultaneously giving them more cost controlled talent. I don't think that type of deal exists. A pure rebuilding trade is out of the question.

[North_of_Border]

Read somewhere that the Atlanta Braves were one of the teams interested in Donaldson. The Alex Anthopolous Braves.

Not sure why, as they are rebuilding but said something like they wanted a stop gap 3B until their prospects are ready. Odd since JD will be expensive, but then again we are talking about AA here.

Braves still have one of the Best and deepest farms in the MLB.


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[Schad]

I'm sure there is an offer that could make Shapiro go to Rogers and sell the idea of trading him, but it would have to be a deal that doesn't hurt the 2018 team while simultaneously giving them more cost controlled talent. I don't think that type of deal exists. A pure rebuilding trade is out of the question.

It shouldn't be out of the question, though. That it's out of the question speaks to why we're going to have major problems building a long-term contender, because as Shapiro said, if making decisions on baseball factors alone (read: if the club wasn't such a cash cow for the next little while) we'd already be a year deep into a rebuild. But we're going to keep letting the tail wag the dog until we've killed fan interest again.

[phillipmike]

Like you mentioned yesterday, I am hoping that "no intention to trade whatsoever" means "sweeten the pot a bit more",

Definitely what it means.

and not "I don't care if you offer us enough assets to make us World Series contenders in 2-3 years time, Donaldson is staying with us at all costs".

No one thinks this way. Not even the great Dave Stewart... Donaldson isnt the best player in the league nor close to one of the best assets in the league as he is 33 with 1 year left.

[dagger]

I chastise the media regularly for their sycophantic catering to the Jays management on the topic of status quo vs rebuild, but I was pleasantly surprised by the way Bobcat is ridiculing Shatkins on this topic. "Dumb and dumber". He was contemptuous of the idea of signing CC Sabathia at age 37 and prone to miss a large number of starts. Not fair on a personal level, but he is certainly giving the casual fans an alternative view.

[Al_Oliver]

"Dumb and dumber".

Here I was thinking he was referring to himself and whichever co-host was on that day...

[So_Fresh]

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I am curious what kind of offers they are getting for him.

Like you mentioned yesterday, I am hoping that "no intention to trade whatsoever" means "sweeten the pot a bit more", and not "I don't care if you offer us enough assets to make us World Series contenders in 2-3 years time, Donaldson is staying with us at all costs".

Exactly what it means. If Donaldson was staying we wouldnt be hearing teams pushing to trade for him. I believe he's being made available if a team is willing to pay the price to get him.

I like Schads offer of Flaherty, Dakota Hudson, and Gyorko. Although I would love to see Reyes on this team. I would do that deal in a heartbeat!

Lets face it we are not contending in 2018. Donaldson isn't coming back. He is going to be offered crazy money as a FA. Jays won't be able to match. Might as well sell now and get some nice pieces back.

[North_of_Border]

It was reported that Donaldson sat down with management at end of Season and said he wants to be in Toronto and wants to sign an extension now rather than become a FA.... do others remember this report?

So the Jays won’t deal him, then why not extend him already. Either he’s your guy or not at this point. It’s his final year. Are they planning on negotiating a contract when all other teams are in on him next year? That’s dumb.

[North_of_Border]

Donaldson to NYY for Torres and Clint Frazier.

Frazier is the odd man out of the outfield now, and Donaldson plays the same position as Torres. NYY might agree to this.

They pay a premium for dealing in division. So say NYY adds a must mid level Pitcher as a flyer.

Great deal?


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[Skin Blues]

The Yankees aren't stupid. They probably wouldn't trade either one of those guys for Donaldson, let alone both. Definitely not Torres, but Frazier - that'd be a possibility. I can't see the Jays fan base being happy about that, though.

[Schad]

If the Yankees were interested (and who knows, given that they're lining up for the Machado/Harper sweepstakes and have Torres), I'd probably do something centered around Chance Adams + Miguel Andujar.

Adams is a former reliever who is still stretching out a little but has posted good numbers and Andujar is a 3B who is likely to get blocked in the process. MLB's #53 and #92 prospects respectively...not the sexiest return from a prospect ranking standpoint, but both are close to the majors and have unrealized upside.

[Tanner]

The time to trade Donaldson from a value standpoint was after the 2016 season when he had two full years of control left. Of course the Jays were coming off an ALCS appearance and were likely to get a huge boost in attendance the following season, so that would not have made business sense. Trading him now means the team that acquires him will get him for one year and over $20m. So there is no cost benefit or control benefit. Strictly a rental, and an expensive one. I can't see the offers being that good. Maybe you will get a good prospect and some decent ones, but the type of prospect(s) that can stand side by side with Guerrero and Bichette? Probably not.

It doesn't hurt to listen to offers. Maybe a team gets desperate and gives up a deal no one can turn down, but chances are you will not get the type of value for JD that warrants losing a projected 6 wins in 2018. Sure at that point you run the risk of losing him for a comp pick or trading him for whatever you can get in July if the team is out of it, but it's hard to imagine a trade scenario that is worth trading him now and getting talent that will be difference makers for the team's next competitive window. No one is giving up Robles or Acuna or Devers types.

I know many here do not like the projected standings on fangraphs, but right now the Jays sit behind the top 4 teams (Houston, Cleveland, NY, Boston) and the Angels. They haven't made a single move in the off season other than Diaz and are a projected 83 win team despite being projected to get nothing out of RF and a starting rotation all projected to have Era's of 4.38 and above except Stroman. At this point it makes a lot of sense to just see if 2018 can turn into anything before selling at the deadline rather than giving up before the season starts and trying to get excited about a young starter with mid rotation potential and a lottery ticket or two acquired in a trade.

[Schad]

At this point it makes a lot of sense to just see if 2018 can turn into anything before selling at the deadline rather than giving up before the season starts and trying to get excited about a young starter with mid rotation potential and a lottery ticket or two acquired in a trade.

Not really. The odds of us being the one team that emerges from the pack are low. The odds of us being the one team that emerges from the pack and knocks off the Red Sox or Yankees in the Wild Card game are lower still. We're going all in on what is probably a 1 in 5 (or worse) shot to have a 2 in 5 chance to make it to an actual playoff round.

Six and a half years of a young starter with mid-rotation potential alone is far more valuable than one year of Donaldson spent on a team that has an 80%+ chance of going nowhere.

[Skin Blues]

Seeing what the Angels and Yankees have done this offseason has really tipped the scales towards starting a re-build immediately. We're gonna need some luck to even grab a wildcard spot.