Donaldson, Jays, don't see eye-to-eye on extension

dagger · Post #1 » by **dagger** » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:19 pm

Now they have had discussions, and the path forward is clearer. It is leading to free agency.

dagger · Post #2 » by **dagger** » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:22 pm

Steelo Green · Post #3 » by **Steelo Green** » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:40 pm

They dropped the ball and should have traded him last season.

Incompetent management looking at short term ticket sales vs. long term success.

dagger · Post #4 » by **dagger** » Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:22 pm

RaptorsFTL wrote:They dropped the ball and should have traded him last season.

Incompetent management looking at short term ticket sales vs. long term success.

I put this mainly on ownership. As do many others here. Shatkins are following a stealth rebuild strategy, and would likely be following an outright rebuild strategy if they were allowed to do so. By stealth, I refer to the lack of long-term deals or marquee free agent signings, an unwillingness to trade quality prospects to bolster the current roster, and constantly signalling that prospects who could improve the current team - like Anthony Alford - will start at Buffalo so as not to begin the clock towards their own free agency.

Davey0 · Post #5 » by **Davey0** » Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:50 pm

That moment when Rogers realized they messed up...

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BramptonYute · Post #6 » by **BramptonYute** » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:00 pm

dagger wrote:

Read on Twitter

I dont think anyone thought Shapiro would be handing out the type of money donaldson will get to a guy like donaldson.

The writing has been on the wall.

The best thing for the future of this team is to be bad.

Post #7 » by **Schad** » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:41 pm

As Dagger said, this one is on ownership rather than management. Left to his own devices, I'm sure that Shapiro would have blown this team up starting at the deadline last year, but ultimately those decisions are made by the corporate accountants, because we're a badly-run franchise.

So_Fresh · Post #8 » by **So_Fresh** » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:46 pm

Enjoy Donaldson's last season with the Toronto Blue Jays. Let's hope it's a good one and a memorable one at that. He's not coming back. Not with this ownership. Like RaptorsFTL said, they dropped the ball and should have traded him last season.

Post #9 » by **Schad** » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:48 pm

So_Fresh wrote:Enjoy Donaldson's last season with the Toronto Blue Jays. He's not coming back. Not with this ownership.

Nor should we be, frankly. Donaldson's going to want to get 5 years or more, and even with the totally-not-collusion driving the market down, he'll get it. And that contract is going to suck for someone.

North_of_Border · Post #10 » by **North_of_Border** » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:05 pm

Donaldson should not be resigned. He is gonna be an ugly contract. Eventually atleast..... but you can’t lose him for nothing. Not unless you are a championship contender, which the Jays are not. Should of dealt him.

Now that teams know he will test FA market, his value took a hit. As the season goes on, it will go lower.

I blame Rogers. I truely believe Shapiro would have started a rebuild by trade deadline last season. Just look at his track record in Cleveland. His hands are tied here.

SharoneWright · Post #11 » by **SharoneWright** » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:13 pm

Josh's time/prime, was never matching up with what we need to do. Anyone with a calendar could have figured this out. Like, as soon as we lost Edwin and knew that Tulo was worthless, he should have been on the market. The opportunity cost for an extra year of "name recognition" to put 10% more butts in the seats might end up being 5+ (whatever) future years of a full house if we could have parlayed JD into talent that coincided with our young core prospects.

Post #12 » by **JaysRule15** » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:16 pm

Sigh. of course they don't see eye to eye. This is Donaldson's last big contract. He's looking to get paid, as he should. It makes no sense for a team like the Jays that's headed for a rebuild to give a 32 year old the big bucks and have him play on a bad team for the next 2-3 years. We all knew this last year.

But hey, why not devalue an asset just to sell more tickets and keep the hype train going.

BramptonYute · Post #13 » by **BramptonYute** » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:18 pm

Schad wrote:As Dagger said, this one is on ownership rather than management. Left to his own devices, I'm sure that Shapiro would have blown this team up starting at the deadline last year, but ultimately those decisions are made by the corporate accountants, because we're a badly-run franchise.

Yup

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/shapiro-blue-jays-hit-reset-year-ago-not-fans/

“I’ve said all along, if we were just running our team without fans and it was an intellectual exercise, we probably would’ve hit a reset over a year ago,” he said.

Post #14 » by **JaysRule15** » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:32 pm

You trade Donaldson for two blue chip prospects last year. Trade Happ, Smoak, etc. for what you can. Eat Tulo's contract and trade him. Maybe the major league team struggles this year and you end up with the top 10 draft pick next year. Now you have a bunch of new decent to elite prospects who'll be reaching the majors at the same time as the next wave of the elite talent in our minors.

I'm not even saying we should've traded Stroman, Sanchez or Osuna (unless the offer for him was great). But at least move the guys on the wrong side of 30 right now and prepare for the next wave.

This chase for the second wild card better be worth it. Because if this team sucks this season (or even worse: plays .500 ball early on so we can't start the fire sale at the deadline and still miss the playoffs) and we lose our assets for peanuts, it could be a setback that severely costs our rebuild. It would suck having to waste two years of Vladdy Jr. or Bo's service time while we wait to put a good team around them.

The_Hater · Post #15 » by **The_Hater** » Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:04 am

RaptorsFTL wrote:They dropped the ball and should have traded him last season.

Incompetent management looking at short term ticket sales vs. long term success.

I think this is too simple, I’m more inclined to think that ownership didn’t allow them to deal JD.

BramptonYute · Post #16 » by **BramptonYute** » Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:08 am

RaptorsFTL wrote:They dropped the ball and should have traded him last season.

Incompetent management looking at short term ticket sales vs. long term success.

Its ownership forcing them to keep him and try to be competitive. Blaming Shapiro is like shooting the messenger.

Didnt rogers pressure Shapiro to bring back Bautista? I might be wrong, but I swear there were some rumours suggesting that they did.

fouronesix22 · Post #17 » by **fouronesix22** » Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:15 am

cant wait for the season...........................

fouronesix22 · Post #18 » by **fouronesix22** » Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:16 am

stroman complaining about arbitration, donaldson sounding off now... this is not a good start AND ITS ONLY FEB. many brutal months to come

Post #19 » by **Schad** » Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:19 am

JaysRule15 wrote:This chase for the second wild card better be worth it. Because if this team sucks this season (or even worse: plays .500 ball early on so we can't start the fire sale at the deadline and still miss the playoffs) and we lose our assets for peanuts, it could be a setback that severely costs our rebuild. It would suck having to waste two years of Vladdy Jr. or Bo's service time while we wait to put a good team around them.

We'll waste more than two years of their service time, I'm guessing. As soon as our players walk in the offseason, ownership's mandate will be to get Vladdy and Bo into the majors ASAP, to bring back the buzz. So they'll debut some time next year, and we'll either move our 2020 free agents and rebuild (doubtful), or we'll hang on to them and make a futile push for the playoffs. Wouldn't at all be surprising if we fail to return to competitiveness within the next five years.

emptytheclip · Post #20 » by **emptytheclip** » Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:40 am

There’s no way he’s coming back.
The jays will chase the 2nd wild card and let him walk.

Shapiro & Atkins has been very conservative since they got here, and they have a plan to rebuild after the large contracts come off the books, starting with Donaldson.
It’s sad to see, I would’ve loved to see JD retire here but it ain’t happening.

Shatkins won’t offer him anything more than 4 years. He prob wants 6-8 years, realistically 5-6 years and someone might pay him that