Jays said to have inside track on a leading IFA candidate

dagger · Post #1 » by **dagger** » Thu Mar 1, 2018 11:48 pm

SharoneWright · Post #2 » by **SharoneWright** » Fri Mar 2, 2018 12:22 am

Great and everything, and I'm all for the strategy of blowing your wad on the high end talent,,,, but slow, short, and at the age of 16 is already judged to not be able to stick at SS. Tell me why am I excited.

TANKNATION · Post #3 » by **TANKNATION** » Fri Mar 2, 2018 1:22 am

SharoneWright wrote:Great and everything, and I'm all for the strategy of blowing your wad on the high end talent,,,, but slow, short, and at the age of 16 is already judged to not be able to stick at SS. Tell me why am I excited.

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Post #4 » by **Schad** » Fri Mar 2, 2018 2:37 am

SharoneWright wrote:Great and everything, and I'm all for the strategy of blowing your wad on the high end talent,,,, but slow, short, and at the age of 16 is already judged to not be able to stick at SS. Tell me why am I excited.

Short, slow and not likely to stick at SS applied to Barreto, as well, and he became a very valuable piece. Compact power stroke and likely to play a relatively high value defensive position can take you places.

Also, his name is Orelvis. I'm fairly sure that is reason enough.

T-d0t · Post #5 » by **T-d0t** » Fri Mar 2, 2018 4:32 am

Load em up

phillipmike · Post #6 » by **phillipmike** » Fri Mar 2, 2018 2:43 pm

Only here someone could see a flaw in signing a low risk prospect who many deem is the best of the group - depending where you get your info on him he doesnt seem that short or heavy anymore - Ben Badler of Baseball America said;

Martinez is a strong, physical right-handed hitter who stands out for his offensive upside. He is 6-foot-1. 190 pounds with a compact swing, good bat speed and power, and with how much more size he projects to add down the road, it’s likely he moves to third base.

3B will always be a need for us. We have Bichette, Urena, Warmoth and potentially Gurriel who can play SS and 2B. Gurriel has been taking reps in the OF. If Martinez is the better defender at 3B then Vladdy moves over to 1B where many think is likely his final ending spot.

In the end it really does not matter where these guys play when they are 16 or even in the majors. You arent adding a 3B or a SS to your farm you are adding talent to your talent pool and it is very low risk when it doesnt cost you anything other than a small amount of money in baseball terms. You figure out positioning after they have proved themselves to be major league players and Martinez has major league tools.

Tanner · Post #7 » by **Tanner** » Fri Mar 2, 2018 4:08 pm

He is 16. Where he factors in positionally will be meanginless for another five years. Adding the asset to the farm system is more important.

North_of_Border · Post #8 » by **North_of_Border** » Sat Mar 3, 2018 4:08 pm

He could possibly be in the minors for the next 5 or 6 years, maybe more. Don’t worry about what position he fits and what the Jays needs are. Everything can change in that much time. No one knows what the Jays needs will be at that time. Prospects bust, get traded, don’t reach their potential etc...

Add to the farm depth. You never know what the future holds. Get this guy.

Skin Blues · Post #9 » by **Skin Blues** » Tue Mar 6, 2018 1:20 pm

SharoneWright wrote:Great and everything, and I'm all for the strategy of blowing your wad on the high end talent,,,, but slow, short, and at the age of 16 is already judged to not be able to stick at SS. Tell me why am I excited.

Because he's judged the best overall IFA prospect as determined by a large group of people who are actually paid to know these types of things.

SharoneWright · Post #10 » by **SharoneWright** » Tue Mar 6, 2018 4:09 pm

Skin Blues wrote:
SharoneWright wrote:Great and everything, and I'm all for the strategy of blowing your wad on the high end talent,,,, but slow, short, and at the age of 16 is already judged to not be able to stick at SS. Tell me why am I excited.

Because he's judged the best overall IFA prospect as determined by a large group of people who are actually paid to know these types of things.

Hey man, I love prospect porn as much as the next guy. Just trying to prod some feedback on the kid from people who might know.

Skin Blues · Post #11 » by **Skin Blues** » Tue Mar 6, 2018 4:54 pm

SharoneWright wrote:
Skin Blues wrote:
SharoneWright wrote:Great and everything, and I'm all for the strategy of blowing your wad on the high end talent,,,, but slow, short, and at the age of 16 is already judged to not be able to stick at SS. Tell me why am I excited.

Because he's judged the best overall IFA prospect as determined by a large group of people who are actually paid to know these types of things.

Hey man, I love prospect porn as much as the next guy. Just trying to prod some feedback on the kid from people who might know.

Apart from seeing him play in person, I don't think there's very much to say about him. Maybe it's the "6th tool" that's referenced in the article. As for being too short, he's 5'11" and not done growing. Barely shorter than the average of 6'1" for shortstops, which have been traditionally the shortest players on the infield. If anything, height seems to be a hindrance there in terms of defense at SS. The article mentions him outgrowing the position and likely moving to 3B. Speed is not too much of a concern for an infielder either.

So... you should be excited because top ranked IFA's seem to be eager to join the Jays, from Barreto, to Vlad Jr, and now to Morelvis. The first two have panned out very well for us so far.

-MetA4- · Post #12 » by **-MetA4-** » Tue Mar 6, 2018 11:17 pm

Skin Blues wrote:Because he's judged the best overall IFA prospect as determined by a large group of people who are actually paid to know these types of things.

This isn't actually true. He is believed to have the highest bonus, which is technically much different from being the top player in the class. Jailyn Ortiz received a larger bonus than Vlad Jr. for instance, even though most considered Vlad to have been a better talent (which has been the case). Orelvis Martinez was one of the Top 5 hitters at the recent MLB Showcase according to Kiley McDaniel, but I didn't see anyone name him as the "best" player there. As with most IFA scouting, there can be a pretty wild difference within how teams see 16 year old kids.

IceBelly05 · Post #13 » by **IceBelly05** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:32 am

Schad wrote:
SharoneWright wrote:Great and everything, and I'm all for the strategy of blowing your wad on the high end talent,,,, but slow, short, and at the age of 16 is already judged to not be able to stick at SS. Tell me why am I excited.

Short, slow and not likely to stick at SS applied to Barreto, as well, and he became a very valuable piece. Compact power stroke and likely to play a relatively high value defensive position can take you places.

Also, his name is Orelvis. I'm fairly sure that is reason enough.

Can never have too many 70 grade names