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2018 MLB Draft - June 4 - 6

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Re: 2018 MLB Draft - June 4 - 6 

Post#361 » by cameo60 » Sat Jun 9, 2018 4:03 pm

My top 10:

1. Vladdy Jr
2. Bo
3. Pearson
4. Smith
5. Jansen
6. Alford
7. Borucki
8. Groshans
9. Warmoth
10. Pardinho
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Re: 2018 MLB Draft - June 4 - 6 

Post#362 » by emptytheclip » Sat Jun 9, 2018 11:50 pm

Don’t have a particular order, but my personal future projections:

Elite: Vladimir Guerrero Jr.
Star: Bo Bichette, Nate Pearson
Fringe Star: Adam Kloffenstein, Kevin Smith, Miguel Hiraldo

Above average: Cavan Biggio, Kevin Vicuna, Jordan Groshans, Ryan Borucki, Danny Jansen
Average: Lourdes Gurriel jr, Sean Reid-Foley, Eric Pardinho, Griffin Conine, Samad Taylor, Maximo Castillo, Chavez Young, Sean Wymer*, Ty Tice*, Kirby Snead*, Jordan Romano*, Yennsy Diaz

Fringe major leaguer: Logan Warmoth, Anthony Alford, Dwight Smith jr, T.J. Zeuch, Riley Adams, Ryan Noda, Mc Gregory Contreras, Jonathan Davis, Zach Jackson*, Addison Barger, Joey Murray, Cullen Large, Brock Lundquist, Kacy Clemens, Joshua Palacios, Travis Holsterman, Maverick Buffo, Nick Podkul

Below average/replacement level: Richard Urena, Rowdy Tellez, Reese McGuire, Hagen Danner, Thomas Pannone, Justin Maese, Max Pentecost, Jon Haris, Colton Laws, Reggie Pruitt, Angel Perdomo, Harold Ramirez, DJ Davis, Francisco Rios, Connor Panas, Justin Dillon*

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Re: 2018 MLB Draft - June 4 - 6 

Post#363 » by Schad » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:02 am

The grades on a lot of those players are far too high. Using MLB Pipeline's scale, an FV 55 player is top 100, give or take; FV 50 is top 200 or 250. Our farm system has improved, but we don't have 10% of the FV 55+ players in baseball, nor do we run 20-deep in players who are projected to be major league average or better.
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Re: 2018 MLB Draft - June 4 - 6 

Post#364 » by emptytheclip » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:08 am

Ok I’ll rephrase it. Wasn’t really going by their metric/system but want to avoid confusion.

I do think we have possibly 10 of the top 200 prospects though since we have 6 in the top 100 by BA.
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Post#365 » by vaff87 » Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:02 am

Schad wrote:The grades on a lot of those players are far too high. Using MLB Pipeline's scale, an FV 55 player is top 100, give or take; FV 50 is top 200 or 250. Our farm system has improved, but we don't have 10% of the FV 55+ players in baseball, nor do we run 20-deep in players who are projected to be major league average or better.


There are likely too many quality major leaguers on his list. On the other hand, though, some of those guys that he’s projecting are guys who are in the very low minors. These are guys that are going to improve their grades over time, if all goes right. Guys like Miguel Hiraldo and Jordan Groshans aren’t going to make top prospects lists right now, but they *could* be very high a couple of years from now.
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Re: 2018 MLB Draft - June 4 - 6 

Post#366 » by emptytheclip » Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:20 am

Yeah, I mean two years ago Vlad and Bo were hovering around 10th top prospect in our system only. We had guys like SRF, Alford, and even Rowdy Tellez ahead of them (yuck lol).

I’m choosing to be a bit more optimistic with our prospects, I know certain guys won’t turn out and other names we don’t even consider will be suprises. It’s fun to make these lists and compare down the road how things change.

That said, I’m a bit low on Alford and Warmoth, but crossing my fingers I am wrong about them.
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Re: 2018 MLB Draft - June 4 - 6 

Post#367 » by vaff87 » Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:41 am

emptytheclip wrote:Yeah, I mean two years ago Vlad and Bo were hovering around 10th top prospect in our system only. We had guys like SRF, Alford, and even Rowdy Tellez ahead of them (yuck lol).

I’m choosing to be a bit more optimistic with our prospects, I know certain guys won’t turn out and other names we don’t even consider will be suprises. It’s fun to make these lists and compare down the road how things change.

That said, I’m a bit low on Alford and Warmoth, but crossing my fingers I am wrong about them.


BTW, one guy you missed on your list is Danny Jansen.
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Re: 2018 MLB Draft - June 4 - 6 

Post#368 » by emptytheclip » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:18 pm

Oh I had him somewhere, guess it got removed when I was reformatting it. Thanks

I want to say he’s a star/fringe star but I want to see him hit big league pitching first.

But just an above average catcher in the majors is a pretty big deal
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Post#371 » by I_Like_Dirt » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:21 pm

emptytheclip wrote:Yeah, I mean two years ago Vlad and Bo were hovering around 10th top prospect in our system only. We had guys like SRF, Alford, and even Rowdy Tellez ahead of them (yuck lol).


Heh, yeah. The established guys tend to get a tad overrated at times while the younger guys far less so. And while I understand the rationale, that doesn't mean it wasn't pretty obvious from the start that Vlad and Bo were surer bets than any of those other guys. Bo in particular seemed to be underrated for quite a while, and even now I think he's sometimes bumped below other SSs that don't necessarily project better than him, but at least he's being given his due as one of the best prospects in the game.

Really, for me, while I really like the a lot of the guys in the farm right now, it's tough for me to project who will and won't make it specifically. I'm confident that Bo and Vlad are both going to be very good. After that, it's a long list of prospects I like but I realistically have no clue. Though I'm on the verge of adding Jansen into Bo and Vlad's group; it isn't his bat I'm concerned with, but rather, if he can catch defensively at the ML level he's going to be very good. I'm also very curious about Biggio.
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Re: 2018 MLB Draft - June 4 - 6 

Post#372 » by Cyrus » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:52 pm

Looks like we signed more than half of our Draft picks (26/40)

https://www.mlb.com/bluejays/news/blue-jays-sign-26-players-from-2018-draft/c-280936338

And 9 of our top 10, or 14 of our top 15.
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Post#373 » by dagger » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:10 pm

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Post#374 » by Cyrus » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:23 pm

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It'll be interesting to find out what 5th, 9th and 10th rounders (SR) signed for, as they'll need to save here if they want to fit in our top picks. Even with the 5% overage, we are over our allotment.
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Post#375 » by metafisical » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:45 pm

What happens if we are over our 5% overage? Are there consequences this season or next season?
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Re: 2018 MLB Draft - June 4 - 6 

Post#376 » by Schad » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:04 pm

metafisical wrote:What happens if we are over our 5% overage? Are there consequences this season or next season?


We would lose draft picks. We won't be over the 5% for that reason.
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Re: 2018 MLB Draft - June 4 - 6 

Post#378 » by emptytheclip » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:25 pm

Wonder if they’ll give Wymer a shot at starting.
He was much more effective in college as a reliever.
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Post#379 » by Schad » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:36 pm

emptytheclip wrote:Wonder if they’ll give Wymer a shot at starting.
He was much more effective in college as a reliever.


I'm sure he'll start at the beginning. Easy enough to throw him in the 'pen if he flounders in the rotation.
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