Aug 10-12 Rays @ Jays - I fooled you, there is a thread

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Aug 10-12

Aug 10 7:07 pm
Blake Snell @ Marco Estrada

Aug 11 4.07 pm

Aug 12 1:07 pm
Tyler Glasnow (1-2, 4.4 ERA) vs Marche Stroman (4-8, 5.20 ERA)

[Lateral Quicks]

Pannone gets his first taste of the bigs.

[BigLeagueChew]

We the fourth.

[So_Fresh]

nightmare season continues...

[KL78192020]

is tanking a thing in baseball? I don't really follow enough to know.

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is tanking a thing in baseball? I don't really follow enough to know.

Not like it is in basketball or other sports. There is no lottery. Draft picks are awarded based solely on record. And it's far less certain that high draft picks pan out. If the Jays had intended to chase a very high pick, they would have had to be a lot worse than they are now, in fact would have had to be a lot worse from the very first game of the season. The Jays are suffering the consequences of having a very old, injury prone roster in a season where hanging around the playoff picture has proved to be impossible. With a handful of teams having locked up the playoff picture (unlike last season where you could linger around .500 and have hope), the Jays unloaded some ending contracts. If they had had some realistic hope of making the playoffs, even a long shot, they likely wouldn't have traded Happ and Oh in particular.

But this has been a strange season. Donaldson has had what John Lott sarcastically described as the longest healing calf strain in baseball history. And the Jays have done an admirable job of hiding - with the media not asking obvious questions - the extend of Aaron Sanchez's finger injury. Ask yourselves, how bloody long does it take for a "contusion" - which is basically a bruise - to heal? And how did he hurt himself? It wasn't baseball related. He's been out six weeks now with a bruise? Must be a helluva bruise.

[BigLeagueChew]

But this has been a strange season. Donaldson has had what John Lott sarcastically described as the longest healing calf strain in baseball history. And the Jays have done an admirable job of hiding - with the media not asking obvious questions - the extend of Aaron Sanchez's finger injury. Ask yourselves, how bloody long does it take for a "contusion" - which is basically a bruise - to heal? And how did he hurt himself? It wasn't baseball related. He's been out six weeks now with a bruise? Must be a helluva bruise.

He was wiping his hand/finger on his jersey from a 'bruise', i think that's what I saw his last start. Donaldsons dead arm was also the worst case in sports history. Tulo was randomly at a Jays series last week, probably to tell everyone he's not coming back this year.

[KL78192020]

is tanking a thing in baseball? I don't really follow enough to know.

Not like it is in basketball or other sports. There is no lottery. Draft picks are awarded based solely on record. And it's far less certain that high draft picks pan out. If the Jays had intended to chase a very high pick, they would have had to be a lot worse than they are now, in fact would have had to be a lot worse from the very first game of the season. The Jays are suffering the consequences of having a very old, injury prone roster in a season where hanging around the playoff picture has proved to be impossible. With a handful of teams having locked up the playoff picture (unlike last season where you could linger around .500 and have hope), the Jays unloaded some ending contracts. If they had had some realistic hope of making the playoffs, even a long shot, they likely wouldn't have traded Happ and Oh in particular.

But this has been a strange season. Donaldson has had what John Lott sarcastically described as the longest healing calf strain in baseball history. And the Jays have done an admirable job of hiding - with the media not asking obvious questions - the extend of Aaron Sanchez's finger injury. Ask yourselves, how bloody long does it take for a "contusion" - which is basically a bruise - to heal? And how did he hurt himself? It wasn't baseball related. He's been out six weeks now with a bruise? Must be a helluva bruise.

Yea the injuries are weird. Do you think they keep JD for next year to raise his value and then trade him?

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is tanking a thing in baseball? I don't really follow enough to know.

Not like it is in basketball or other sports. There is no lottery. Draft picks are awarded based solely on record. And it's far less certain that high draft picks pan out. If the Jays had intended to chase a very high pick, they would have had to be a lot worse than they are now, in fact would have had to be a lot worse from the very first game of the season. The Jays are suffering the consequences of having a very old, injury prone roster in a season where hanging around the playoff picture has proved to be impossible. With a handful of teams having locked up the playoff picture (unlike last season where you could linger around .500 and have hope), the Jays unloaded some ending contracts. If they had had some realistic hope of making the playoffs, even a long shot, they likely wouldn't have traded Happ and Oh in particular.

But this has been a strange season. Donaldson has had what John Lott sarcastically described as the longest healing calf strain in baseball history. And the Jays have done an admirable job of hiding - with the media not asking obvious questions - the extend of Aaron Sanchez's finger injury. Ask yourselves, how bloody long does it take for a "contusion" - which is basically a bruise - to heal? And how did he hurt himself? It wasn't baseball related. He's been out six weeks now with a bruise? Must be a helluva bruise.

Yea the injuries are weird. Do you think they keep JD for next year to raise his value and then trade him?

Not impossible, but would seem unlikely. Assuming he isn't traded this month, they would have to extend him a qualifying offer which he would have to accept, or they could agree on a different (probably larger) amount for one year. Though he is unlikely to agree to any kind of a one-year situation. Complicating matters, Guerrero is coming and will play 3B, so what do you do with Donaldson? DH? I'm guessing he would not want that. It might further reduce his market at age 34 in the winter of 2019-20.

[phillipmike]

Jays might have a new player in the lineup.

Rumour has it that Jansen is getting the call.

[phillipmike]

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[Schad]

He was wiping his hand/finger on his jersey from a 'bruise', i think that's what I saw his last start. Donaldsons dead arm was also the worst case in sports history. Tulo was randomly at a Jays series last week, probably to tell everyone he's not coming back this year.

Tulo on the DL really only makes things easier at this point, honestly. He has no future here, and his contract/health is such that he's never going to rebuild enough value to be moved. It has been suggested -- but not confirmed -- that his contract is insured, though the exact conditions of that are unknown. Plus, we have roughly 50 2B/SS/3B on the roster to contend with anyway with a potential logjam in Buffalo, and few of them are going to fetch much on the trade market...we'll probably shop Solarte (or simply refuse his option, but someone might be interested), should probably shop Drury, and Urena is looking more like a DFA candidate than a roadblock. Diaz is a possible sell-high I suppose, but we may wish to keep him until he can hand off the baton to Bichette, as a hedge in case the latter starts to look more like a 2B or stagnates, whatever. In any instance, there's just no need for Tulo.

We're likely to see a few small hitter-for-pitcher moves, I think. Our backup infielders for someone's AAA reliever who is on the Rule 5 bubble. I'm completely at a loss to think of a way to think of any deal, even a trash-for-trash one, that'd move Tulo...even my fever dreams of a salary-matched Tulo for the corpse of Homer Bailey (who'd then become the league's most overpaid middle reliever) isn't likely to interest the Reds.

[vaff87]

He was wiping his hand/finger on his jersey from a 'bruise', i think that's what I saw his last start. Donaldsons dead arm was also the worst case in sports history. Tulo was randomly at a Jays series last week, probably to tell everyone he's not coming back this year.

Tulo on the DL really only makes things easier at this point, honestly. He has no future here, and his contract/health is such that he's never going to rebuild enough value to be moved. It has been suggested -- but not confirmed -- that his contract is insured, though the exact conditions of that are unknown. Plus, we have roughly 50 2B/SS/3B on the roster to contend with anyway with a potential logjam in Buffalo, and few of them are going to fetch much on the trade market...we'll probably shop Solarte (or simply refuse his option, but someone might be interested), should probably shop Drury, and Urena is looking more like a DFA candidate than a roadblock. Diaz is a possible sell-high I suppose, but we may wish to keep him until he can hand off the baton to Bichette, as a hedge in case the latter starts to look more like a 2B or stagnates, whatever. In any instance, there's just no need for Tulo.

We're likely to see a few small hitter-for-pitcher moves, I think. Our backup infielders for someone's AAA reliever who is on the Rule 5 bubble. I'm completely at a loss to think of a way to think of any deal, even a trash-for-trash one, that'd move Tulo...even my fever dreams of a salary-matched Tulo for the corpse of Homer Bailey (who'd then become the league's most overpaid middle reliever) isn't likely to interest the Reds.

I would think Tulo gets bought out over the off-season.

[So_Fresh]

I can't watch this Blue Jay's team anymore.. One of the worst assembled ever. Please make this nightmare season go away... Only time i start watching is when Vladdy and Bichette get called up. Until then **** the Blue Jays.