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All Things Vlady: Debuting Friday the 26th

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Post#181 » by polo007 » Tue May 21, 2019 5:20 pm

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General manager Ross Atkins acknowledged that he saw the lineup in advance. He could have intervened, he told me.

“That’s on me,” he said.

But when it comes to the names on the lineup card, Atkins said his policy is not to interfere with the manager. He hastened to add that he is not accusing Montoyo of poor judgment in this case. Montoyo is a first-year manager in what for him is a new country. He probably has little familiarity with uniquely Canadian holidays.


At least he did before Monday.

And if Montoyo was blissfully ignorant, surely lots of others in the front office were not.

As for Guerrero’s imposed day off, Atkins said Montoyo and his coaches make workload-management decisions after input from the front office, including the high-performance department, which includes medical staff, trainers and conditioning personnel.

“We try to give our (uniformed) staff tools to help them think strategically about optimum playing time,” Atkins said.

Factors include a player’s overall health and performance, recent workload and fatigue level, as well as the team’s travel schedule and pending matchups.


Taking all of that into account, Montoyo and his coaching staff come up with a schedule of rest days for everyday players.

Then, Atkins said, “Charlie makes the lineup.”
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Post#182 » by I_Like_Dirt » Wed May 22, 2019 4:50 pm

How dare the Jays prioritize the long-term health and wellbeing of their players? Sports are for treating human beings like commodities and grinding them into the dirt!!! The Raptors rested Kawhi Leonard and could have won 60 games in the regular season rather than worrying about games in the playoffs that may never happen and may not have been changed anyway!!! And clearly the May long weekend against a Red Sox team that was going to grind the Jays into dust either way was even more important!!! Anger!!! Anger!!! Aaaaannnngerrrr!!!!11!
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Re: All Things Vlady: Debuting Friday the 26th 

Post#183 » by Duffman100 » Thu May 23, 2019 2:04 pm

Going Friday and Saturday! Excited to see Vlad for the first time.
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Post#184 » by polo007 » Thu May 23, 2019 4:56 pm

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1. We know what Ross Atkins said Tuesday about the decision to sit Guerrero Jr. on Victoria Day. What he didn’t say were the words, “I’m/we’re sorry.” Do the Blue Jays owe fans — especially those who travelled from out of town for the game expecting to see Guerrero Jr. play — an apology for how Monday was handled?

Jeff Blair (@SNJeffBlair):

Geezus, no. All that needed to be said was: “In hindsight, as an organization we should have handled it differently.” Period.

Arden Zwelling (@ArdenZwelling):

No, they don’t. It doesn’t say anywhere on anyone’s ticket that they’re entitled to a game featuring Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Fans bought tickets for an MLB game, and that’s what they received. That said, it’s still a remarkable own-goal for a franchise that can’t afford the public ill will — a disappointing and disheartening misstep that could have so easily been avoided if the Blue Jays had the foresight to schedule Guerrero’s off day for Sunday or Tuesday. It was either stubborn, naïve, or tone-deaf. Maybe all of the above.

Shi Davidi (@ShiDavidi):

Sure, but if the Blue Jays are saying sorry, shouldn’t they start with needing 10 different starting pitchers through the first 45 games? Talk about signs your season has gone off the rails. Look, the Blue Jays have a responsibility to help manage their players’ health. Long-term, these rest days for Guerrero make sense. Some court awareness would help. He’s their primary selling point. Every day in the bowels of the stadium, I see people unwrapping boxes upon boxes of Guerrero jerseys for sale in the team store. It’s not hard to think of the fans when deciding which day he rests.

Ben Nicholson-Smith (@bnicholsonsmith):

The most informed fans are likely aware that rest is essential for any player, especially someone who has missed significant time due to knee and oblique injuries over the last year. Those fans realize that there’s no guarantee of seeing Guerrero Jr. on any given day.

But alongside those fans are thousands who consume the game more casually. They know who Guerrero Jr. is and want to see him play, but they’d have no reason to believe that a 20-year-old would need the day off when he had just homered to cap off a breakout week.

Some of those fans planned trips on the assumption he’d play, and the Blue Jays’ decision surprised them. Those fans matter. We’re not playing MLB The Show here. End of the world? Not at all. Vlad Jr. will be here for a while. But why not apologize to those who were inconvenienced?

Mike Wilner (@Wilnerness590):

The easy answer is yes. It’s very easy to say “we, as a collective, messed up, we’re sorry, and we won’t let it happen again.” I think that would go a long way with fans who were so disappointed on Monday, and who are likely to bring the story back every long weekend for quite a while. In an effort to see things from the Jays’ perspective, though, I’m wondering if the front office might be reluctant to do that for fear of what might be seen as confirming a lot of fans’ belief that Mark Shapiro and Ross Atkins are pushing many of the buttons that the manager ordinarily would be. Perhaps they worry that an organizational “mea culpa” would fan the “the manager is a puppet” claims.
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Post#185 » by polo007 » Thu May 23, 2019 6:16 pm

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Post#186 » by BigLeagueChew » Sat Jun 1, 2019 8:19 pm

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Can see how much Vlad has zoned up since early May, should get better as we go along. As a result of laying off the low outside pitches , he's going for the pitches on the inside edge a little more or more particularily, strikes.
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Re: All Things Vlady: Debuting Friday the 26th 

Post#187 » by Cyrus » Mon Jun 3, 2019 4:49 pm

So after a month of Vladdy, how does everyone feel Vlad has done? Is his:

WAR AB H HR BA R RBI SB OBP SLG OPS OPS+
0.4 117 29 6 .248 11 12 0 .318 .453 .771 107


met your expectations? below expectations, how do you see his next month going? Certainly not what some hype/hyperbole articles stating Vlad's minor league numbers would translate to like top 10 hitter in the game so far...
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Re: All Things Vlady: Debuting Friday the 26th 

Post#188 » by Schad » Mon Jun 3, 2019 5:50 pm

Vlad's fine. Makes hard contact, solid walk and K rates. He's hitting .303/.369/.605 over his last 20 games, so I don't see a lot of cause for concern.

His primary issue is that he's putting the ball on the ground too much; that'll change given time.
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Post#189 » by BigLeagueChew » Fri Jun 7, 2019 4:31 am

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Post#191 » by Double Helix » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:05 am

He was heating up for a little bit there and the highs of that are where I hope he can get to more consistently but it feels like he’s again cooled off the past few weeks.

Inconsistency is often an issue with young players and superstars are defined by consistent production.

You can see all of the tools. I hope he will minimize his slumps and get into hot periods more as this summer goes on.
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Re: All Things Vlady: Debuting Friday the 26th 

Post#192 » by Boogie! » Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:28 am

Is it a disappointment if he ends up being a prime Edwin encarnacion?
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Post#193 » by Schad » Sun Jun 30, 2019 2:02 am

Encarnacion's prime happened much later in his career. If it's a question of whether it's a disappointment if Vlad reaches 4 fWAR/year by his third season and remains there for a decade or something, the answer is no. That's a pretty high floor; given his age when entering the league, he'd likely end up getting some votes for, but falling short of, the Hall of Fame.
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Post#196 » by Double Helix » Mon Jul 8, 2019 9:58 pm

With nearly half the season coming on soon what are the thoughts in comparison to the hype for those who’ve followed more closely? I tempered expectations early and then set them slightly higher again during his May hot streak and now I’m not sure where he’s tracking in comparison to other players who had his hype and tools.
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Post#197 » by DonYon » Tue Jul 9, 2019 1:41 am

Welp, no doubt he can crush batting practice. Looks like he might be the best of all time in this regard.
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Post#198 » by akakalakin » Tue Jul 9, 2019 2:28 am

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Post#199 » by Schad » Tue Jul 9, 2019 2:38 am

91 home runs in an evening is a bit mad.
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Post#200 » by akakalakin » Tue Jul 9, 2019 2:45 am

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