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Blue Jays next manager – Charlie Montoyo
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:51 pm
by dagger
Re: Breaking from Shi Davidi: Blue Jays next manager Charlie Montoyo
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:57 pm
by Rhettmatic
Longer story is up now:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-set-hire-charlie-montoyo-manager/TORONTO – Impressed by the way the Tampa Bay Rays use data in their decision-making on and off the field, the Toronto Blue Jays are set to hire Charlie Montoyo away from their American League East rivals to be their new manager according to an industry source.
The decision, perhaps the most important made in Ross Atkins’ three years as GM thus far, comes on the same day Rocco Baldelli, another finalist from the analytically advanced club, was hired by the Minnesota Twins to replace the fired Paul Molitor.
David Bell, hired Sunday by the Cincinnati Reds Chicago Cubs bench coach Brandon Hyde, and Houston Astros bench coach Joe Espada were the other known finalists for the Blue Jays’ vacancy.
Montoyo, a 53-year-old from Florida, Puerto Rico who was in Toronto on Tuesday for an in-person interview, takes over from the departed John Gibbons and will give a rebuilding Blue Jays team a new and much different leader.
He also gives them a bilingual voice at the helm at a time when young Latino players like Vladimir Guerrero Jr., and Lourdes Gurriel Jr., are on the verge of becoming key parts of the franchise.
Re: Breaking from Shi Davidi: Blue Jays next manager Charlie Montoyo
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:02 pm
by rotty
I wonder why him over joe espada
Edit: i see probably because of the vladdy connection
Re: Breaking from Shi Davidi: Blue Jays next manager Charlie Montoyo
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:10 pm
by WuTang_OG
is this guy any good
Re: Breaking from Shi Davidi: Blue Jays next manager Charlie Montoyo
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:16 pm
by Schad
It's difficult to say whether managerial hires, particularly first-time ones, are any good. He checks the boxes, though; it's clear that we want to be a more analytically-driven team, and we will likely need to be to compete in this division.
Re: Breaking from Shi Davidi: Blue Jays next manager Charlie Montoyo
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:24 pm
by dagger
Here's an interesting aspect of this: Charlie was a mentor in the 1990s for Vlad Sr. Was his translator among other things when Dad was playing for AA Harrisburg in the Expos system. So he presumably has the family's confidence.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/how-vladdys-double-a-mentor-charted-a-path-to-mlb/
Re: Breaking from Shi Davidi: Blue Jays next manager Charlie Montoyo
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:36 pm
by SharoneWright
He speaks Spanish, and also better English than Gibbons.
Re: Breaking from Shi Davidi: Blue Jays next manager Charlie Montoyo
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:47 pm
by Ado05
18 years of experience managing at all levels of the Rays organization. Won a lot in the minors.
Re: Breaking from Shi Davidi: Blue Jays next manager Charlie Montoyo
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:05 pm
by dagger
Re: Breaking from Shi Davidi: Blue Jays next manager Charlie Montoyo
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:23 pm
by S.W.A.N
Analytics and can speak Vladdy. Sold
Re: Breaking from Shi Davidi: Blue Jays next manager Charlie Montoyo
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:33 pm
by azorian
He kind of looks like Tosca.
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Re: Breaking from Shi Davidi: Blue Jays next manager Charlie Montoyo
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:45 pm
by polo007
Inside the Rays: Charlie Montoyo
Documentary on Charlie Montoyo, pride of Florida, Puerto Rico and member of the 1982 championship team.
Re: Breaking from Shi Davidi: Blue Jays next manager Charlie Montoyo
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:10 pm
by Lateral Quicks
I don't know much about him, but if he buys into analytics and is bi-lingual those are definite positive attributes.
Re: Breaking from Shi Davidi: Blue Jays next manager Charlie Montoyo
Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:07 am
by johanliebert
Another puppet..
All buying into analytics means is following the orders of Ivy League grads lol.
Re: Breaking from Shi Davidi: Blue Jays next manager Charlie Montoyo
Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:16 pm
by Fairview4Life
johanliebert wrote:Another puppet..
All buying into analytics means is following the orders of Ivy League grads lol.
It means evidence based decision making.
Re: Breaking from Shi Davidi: Blue Jays next manager Charlie Montoyo
Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:13 pm
by torontoaces04
Fairview4Life wrote:johanliebert wrote:Another puppet..
All buying into analytics means is following the orders of Ivy League grads lol.
It means evidence based decision making.
Like sitting 4 of your top HR hitters in game 2 of the World Series? There has to be a happy medium.
Re: Breaking from Shi Davidi: Blue Jays next manager Charlie Montoyo
Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:57 pm
by Brinbe
Like the move, seems to hit all the right notes.
Re: Breaking from Shi Davidi: Blue Jays next manager Charlie Montoyo
Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:36 pm
by I_Like_Dirt
torontoaces04 wrote:Like sitting 4 of your top HR hitters in game 2 of the World Series? There has to be a happy medium.
You can disagree with the evidence they're using and suggest they should use other/more evidence instead. That isn't wrong. The whole idea about analytics is to actually use evidence rather than ignore it for a gut feeling or gross oversimplification of the evidence just because it's easier.
I like this hire. I have no idea if it will work out but it sure seems like the Jays picked a guy who put in his time, has succeeded at everything he's done, is open-minded and flexible, and fits the direction the team is trying to move in. And it wasn't even one of those internal/former Cleveland guys like some were worried about. Overall I don't really see anything to be unhappy about.
Re: Breaking from Shi Davidi: Blue Jays next manager Charlie Montoyo
Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:56 pm
by WuTang_OG
Everyone saying this is an excellent hire.
1) Has several years of experience as a manager in the minors
2) great teacher + great at player development (both will be pivotal the next 5 years)
3) Bilingual
4) High character
5) Comes from a great organization that is advanced and always ahead of the curve in order to gain an advantage (something we never had)
Re: Breaking from Shi Davidi: Blue Jays next manager Charlie Montoyo
Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:49 pm
by polo007