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polo007 · Post #1501 » by **polo007** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:54 am

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Fairview4Life · Post #1502 » by **Fairview4Life** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:55 pm

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The evidence Ortiz did steroids is fairly weak.

I_Like_Dirt · Post #1503 » by **I_Like_Dirt** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:35 pm

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The evidence Ortiz did steroids is fairly weak.

The evidence against Ortiz is stronger than the evidence against Shoeless Joe Jackson. My favourite part was where Ortiz went to get testing information claiming that once he found out the problem he would let the public know, and now he's in the hall and still hasn't said anything.

That said, Ortiz absolutely belongs in the Hall. The finger-pointing battle trying to discredit others for what every team is doing while blaming and punishing players rather than franchises is MLB's most annoying aspects, though soap operas are popular for a reason, I suppose.

Parataxis · Post #1504 » by **Parataxis** » Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:03 pm

Pete Rose is banned for life, right?

Does that mean that once he dies, he can be considered by the veteran's committees?

SharoneWright · Post #1505 » by **SharoneWright** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 11:33 pm

SharoneWright wrote:The cheaters also created real negative effects for their contemporaries (fellow MLBPA members). What was that story about the journey-man reliever that came in to give up a dinger to Bonds?/McGuire? and was immediately sent down and never got another recall... How many pitchers has their stats worsened by the juicers and how many clean hitters had their stats comparatively reduced when it came to contract-time? They basically robbed from the "good guys".

Every record that Bonds broke was against another player. Bonds faced pitchers, just as Roger Clemens faced hitters. And the fact that so many baseball players -- myself included -- had to consistently try to beat out people who had a constant advantage is not something I can brush off simply because their final numbers made our eyes pop out of our heads.

-Doug Glanville
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33181692/doug-glanville-why-glad-barry-bonds-elected-hall-fame

I_Like_Dirt · Post #1506 » by **I_Like_Dirt** » Tue Feb 1, 2022 1:39 am

SharoneWright wrote:
SharoneWright wrote:The cheaters also created real negative effects for their contemporaries (fellow MLBPA members). What was that story about the journey-man reliever that came in to give up a dinger to Bonds?/McGuire? and was immediately sent down and never got another recall... How many pitchers has their stats worsened by the juicers and how many clean hitters had their stats comparatively reduced when it came to contract-time? They basically robbed from the "good guys".

Every record that Bonds broke was against another player. Bonds faced pitchers, just as Roger Clemens faced hitters. And the fact that so many baseball players -- myself included -- had to consistently try to beat out people who had a constant advantage is not something I can brush off simply because their final numbers made our eyes pop out of our heads.

-Doug Glanville
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33181692/doug-glanville-why-glad-barry-bonds-elected-hall-fame

So where do you stand on all the pitchers that used foreign substances? Johnny Bench admitted loads of pitchers did it even back in his day. Just throw out the entire Hall at that point. Why draw the line on one set of cheaters but not on another? It's entirely arbitrary and all for self-serving show. There's no actual moral logic to it whatsoever.

GoRapstheoriginal · Post #1507 » by **GoRapstheoriginal** » Sun Feb 6, 2022 10:48 pm

https://www.tsn.ca/locked-out-mlb-players-reject-offer-of-federal-mediation-1.1754983

Owners & Players are both idiots.

Post #1508 » by **Schad** » Mon Feb 7, 2022 8:44 am

GoRapstheoriginal wrote:https://www.tsn.ca/locked-out-mlb-players-reject-offer-of-federal-mediation-1.1754983

Owners & Players are both idiots.

Requesting mediation is a PR stunt. Because MLB hasn't made a counter-proposal, there currently isn't anything to mediate. There's almost zero chance of mediation actually reaching an end result given that, but reaching an end result isn't the goal for MLB...the goal is to prolong the lockout while convincing fans that it's the players' fault that the lockout is being prolonged.

https://t.co/GKKa4SUcg1

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polo007 · Post #1509 » by **polo007** » Tue Feb 8, 2022 11:14 am

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polo007 · Post #1510 » by **polo007** » Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:15 pm

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Post #1511 » by **Schad** » Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:17 pm

A very good article from Hannah Keyser about the economics of baseball (and the lies that the owners tell about the economics of baseball):

https://sports.yahoo.com/the-lie-that-encapsulates-the-lockout-rob-manfred-says-mlb-teams-are-bad-investments-160109626.htm

Manfred specifically claimed that owners’ returns are below what you could expect from the stock market. But just this week, data from PitchBook showed that even in a strong stock market, “those returns pale in comparison to the windfall from sports investing.”

PitchBook estimates MLB clubs offered a 669% price return from 2002 to 2021 compared to 458% returns on the S&P 500. (The private equity firms rushing to invest in sports aren’t doing it for their health.)

Rob Mains has written extensively about the economics of ownership at Baseball Prospectus, frequently explaining why “it’s about the capital appreciation, not the current income.” Back in 2018, he looked at some of the ways in which — contrary to what Manfred claimed — that capital appreciation is incredibly low-risk. MLB’s exceptional legal monopoly means teams face little to no competition and they essentially can’t fail. Case in point, the Montreal Expos no longer exist, but their principal owner was able to sell the team back to MLB for 10 times his initial investment and get an interest-free loan from the league to help fund his purchase of the Marlins). All the whale, they receive subsidies in the form of partially taxpayer payer-funded stadium deals and labor law loopholes.

But even if you didn’t bother to click any of those links, you know that owning a baseball team is a good investment because savvy businessmen who would rather pinch pennies than field one of the best players in the game are eager to own one. To care about baseball is to confront over and over again the inescapable cynicism that the game you love is, at its cold hard core, a business. Now MLB suddenly expects us to believe these billionaires got involved in spite of the implications for their bottom line?

SharoneWright · Post #1512 » by **SharoneWright** » Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:09 pm

surprise surprise

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https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/marcus-stroman-calls-out-mets-new-gm-billy-eppler-beyond-thankful-im-gone-from-that-organization/

Fairview4Life · Post #1513 » by **Fairview4Life** » Wed Feb 23, 2022 11:25 pm

But…it’s also the Mets.

polo007 · Post #1514 » by **polo007** » Fri Mar 11, 2022 2:44 am

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SharoneWright · Post #1515 » by **SharoneWright** » Mon Mar 14, 2022 2:44 am

Yankees get Donaldson

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/03/yankees-acquire-josh-donaldson-isiah-kiner-falefa-from-twins-for-gary-sanchez-gio-urshela.html

vaff87 · Post #1516 » by **vaff87** » Mon Mar 14, 2022 3:37 am

SharoneWright wrote:Yankees get Donaldson

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/03/yankees-acquire-josh-donaldson-isiah-kiner-falefa-from-twins-for-gary-sanchez-gio-urshela.html

Looking forward to the Donaldson/Cole interactions.

polo007 · Post #1517 » by **polo007** » Mon Mar 14, 2022 3:40 am

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vaff87 · Post #1518 » by **vaff87** » Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:39 am

Unvaccinated players on the Yankees and Mets literally won’t be able to play home games. This will be hilarious.

Like Kyrie Irving, unvaccinated Yankees, Mets can't play at home

vaff87 · Post #1519 » by **vaff87** » Mon Mar 21, 2022 7:17 pm

MLB letter to New York Yankees about sign-stealing allegations to be made public, despite appeal

NEW YORK -- A letter detailing a 2017 investigation into the New York Yankees will become a public document, two years after a federal judge ruled it should be unsealed.

The plaintiffs in a lawsuit over the daily-fantasy ramifications of electronic sign-stealing in baseball allege that a 2017 press release from commissioner Rob Manfred hid the full findings of what MLB discovered the Yankees had done. The letter's impending release will reveal any differences between what Manfred said in public about his findings and what was revealed in private.

Manfred wrote the letter to Yankees general manager Brian Cashman and it is alleged to contain proof of the team's sign-stealing methods from 2017, when New York was busted for improperly using a dugout phone and the Boston Red Sox were found to be using Apple Watches to pick up on signals from opposing teams.

Fairview4Life · Post #1520 » by **Fairview4Life** » Mon Mar 21, 2022 7:46 pm

vaff87 wrote:MLB letter to New York Yankees about sign-stealing allegations to be made public, despite appeal

NEW YORK -- A letter detailing a 2017 investigation into the New York Yankees will become a public document, two years after a federal judge ruled it should be unsealed.

The plaintiffs in a lawsuit over the daily-fantasy ramifications of electronic sign-stealing in baseball allege that a 2017 press release from commissioner Rob Manfred hid the full findings of what MLB discovered the Yankees had done. The letter's impending release will reveal any differences between what Manfred said in public about his findings and what was revealed in private.

Manfred wrote the letter to Yankees general manager Brian Cashman and it is alleged to contain proof of the team's sign-stealing methods from 2017, when New York was busted for improperly using a dugout phone and the Boston Red Sox were found to be using Apple Watches to pick up on signals from opposing teams.

THE MAN IN WHITE WAS COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE

Or something.