Jays, Grichuk agree to five year extension

dagger · Post #1 » by **dagger** » Tue Apr 2, 2019 11:08 pm

5/52m, more details to follow

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dagger · Post #2 » by **dagger** » Tue Apr 2, 2019 11:11 pm

It’s a rework of this year’s deal, $7m of salary, $5m of bonus, then $12m next season, and $9.333,333 in each of the next three seasons. No options, buyouts, etc pet Shi

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vaff87 · Post #3 » by **vaff87** » Tue Apr 2, 2019 11:12 pm

So random. Especially the timing.

So_Fresh · Post #4 » by **So_Fresh** » Tue Apr 2, 2019 11:14 pm

Interesting. Didn't see this coming.

Stroman should be next. Having a good start to the season so far.

dagger · Post #5 » by **dagger** » Tue Apr 2, 2019 11:21 pm

vaff87 wrote:So random. Especially the timing.

I read a US commentator who thought Grichuk would hit as many as 35 homers this season and be a hot commodity come the trade deadline. Maybe, maybe not, but if he does, this deal won't hurt his value.

Post #6 » by **Schad** » Tue Apr 2, 2019 11:36 pm

So basically $47m in new money over 4 years, or an added ~$12m AAV. It's not spectacularly cheap; upside bet, but not really a discount over his production to date.

The structure definitely looks like it's intended to make the deal more palatable in trade if need be...he'll be paid $24m through the end of next season, and only $28m over the final three years. Not a bad way to finagle things when you've ditched salary to the extent we have.

Brinbe · Post #7 » by **Brinbe** » Wed Apr 3, 2019 12:03 am

Meh, not really a fan of Grichuk at all but whatever, it's fine. It's not immovable (hopefully)

vaff87 · Post #8 » by **vaff87** » Wed Apr 3, 2019 12:06 am

Schad wrote:So basically $47m in new money over 4 years, or an added ~$12m AAV. It's not spectacularly cheap; upside bet, but not really a discount over his production to date.

The structure definitely looks like it's intended to make the deal more palatable in trade if need be...he'll be paid $24m through the end of next season, and only $28m over the final three years. Not a bad way to finagle things when you've ditched salary to the extent we have.

When we start to try to compete again, he’ll be cheaper.

torontoaces04 · Post #9 » by **torontoaces04** » Wed Apr 3, 2019 12:43 am

Schad wrote:So basically $47m in new money over 4 years, or an added ~$12m AAV. It's not spectacularly cheap; upside bet, but not really a discount over his production to date.

The structure definitely looks like it's intended to make the deal more palatable in trade if need be...he'll be paid $24m through the end of next season, and only $28m over the final three years. Not a bad way to finagle things when you've ditched salary to the extent we have.

Sounds like what we would have said about that Jose Bautista extension, after his breakout 1.25 years.

rarefind · Post #10 » by **rarefind** » Wed Apr 3, 2019 12:49 am

Fine with this

Post #11 » by **Schad** » Wed Apr 3, 2019 12:59 am

Yeah, that'd be the idea. I'm less than sold on the notion that Grichuk is going to break out in a huge way; the power's there, sure, but there just aren't many good hitters out there with a 4:1 K:BB (there's Javy Baez, and that's pretty well it).

But it's okay value at current production, he does enough otherwise that his floor is probably a below-average OF most years, and there's certainly plenty of achievable middle ground between league-average OF and prime Jose Bautista.

phillipmike · Post #12 » by **phillipmike** » Wed Apr 3, 2019 1:26 am

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Post #13 » by **spykelee** » Wed Apr 3, 2019 2:06 am

I don't mind this deal either. He'll be alright production wise, ok value at those terms, and easily tradeable. And I'll miss Pilar. We don't really have a fan favoirite kinda guy anymore... Him and smoak were both choked up today... Awww and I miss JV too. Maybe we need to bring Vince back??? Desperate times around the 6

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SharoneWright · Post #14 » by **SharoneWright** » Wed Apr 3, 2019 2:29 am

spykelee wrote:I don't mind this deal either. He'll be alright production wise, ok value at those terms, and easily tradeable. And I'll miss Pilar. We don't really have a fan favoirite kinda guy anymore... Him and smoak were both choked up today... Awww and I miss JV too. Maybe we need to bring Vince back??? Desperate times around the 6

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Forget Vince. Bring back Wendel.

C Court · Post #15 » by **C Court** » Wed Apr 3, 2019 3:20 am

SharoneWright wrote:
spykelee wrote:I don't mind this deal either. He'll be alright production wise, ok value at those terms, and easily tradeable. And I'll miss Pilar. We don't really have a fan favoirite kinda guy anymore... Him and smoak were both choked up today... Awww and I miss JV too. Maybe we need to bring Vince back??? Desperate times around the 6

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Forget Vince. Bring back Wendel.

Forget Wendel. Bring back Theismann.

SharoneWright · Post #16 » by **SharoneWright** » Wed Apr 3, 2019 3:22 am

Centre Court wrote:
SharoneWright wrote:
spykelee wrote:I don't mind this deal either. He'll be alright production wise, ok value at those terms, and easily tradeable. And I'll miss Pilar. We don't really have a fan favoirite kinda guy anymore... Him and smoak were both choked up today... Awww and I miss JV too. Maybe we need to bring Vince back??? Desperate times around the 6

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Forget Vince. Bring back Wendel.

Forget Wendel. Bring back Theismann.

Oh, baby!

(Moe Norman says hi!)

sule · Post #17 » by **sule** » Wed Apr 3, 2019 4:19 am

SharoneWright wrote:
Centre Court wrote:
SharoneWright wrote:
Forget Vince. Bring back Wendel.

Forget Wendel. Bring back Theismann.

Oh, baby!

(Moe Norman says hi!)

Just hire Pinball Clemons for some front office work. I don't think i've ever heard someone say anything even neutral about that guy. All praise all the time for being such a great guy.

Lateral Quicks · Post #18 » by **Lateral Quicks** » Wed Apr 3, 2019 10:35 am

I feel bad for Pillar here - including this year's salary he's only made $10.5M over his entire career. The same day he's traded his replacement gets guaranteed money of $52M. That has to sting.

MLB really needs to fix its compensation system. Pillar has made well under $1M/WAR over his career to date. And since most of his value is in his (declining) defense, he may never cash in with a multi-year payday like Grichuk just did.

The Jays did nothing wrong, mind you. Grichuk is almost certainly the better player over the next 5 years.

dagger · Post #19 » by **dagger** » Wed Apr 3, 2019 10:47 am

Lateral Quicks wrote:The Jays did nothing wrong, mind you. Grichuk is almost certainly the better player over the next 5 years.

That's about it. If Pillar had arrived a bit sooner, or reached certain higher offensive plateaus, he'd have made a bit more money. It is what it is. I agree that the pre-arb years ought to pay more than half a million dollars. Players already sacrifice by accepting minuscule minor league salaries. The NBA G-League and hockey's NHL all pay higher minimums than MILB leagues. Yes, signing bonuses enter into the equation, but a lot of players make it to the majors without the large bonuses paid in the first few rounds of the draft. In the AHL, the lowest salary is $39,000., and that's still better than the AAA minimum. If baseball upped the major league minimums, maybe knocked a year off the pre-arb control and adopted some kind of restricted free agency, i.e skewing salaries toward a player's more productive years, it would benefit the game on and off the field.

Skin Blues · Post #20 » by **Skin Blues** » Wed Apr 3, 2019 1:03 pm

Lateral Quicks wrote:I feel bad for Pillar here - including this year's salary he's only made $10.5M over his entire career. The same day he's traded his replacement gets guaranteed money of $52M. That has to sting.

MLB really needs to fix its compensation system. Pillar has made well under $1M/WAR over his career to date. And since most of his value is in his (declining) defense, he may never cash in with a multi-year payday like Grichuk just did.

The Jays did nothing wrong, mind you. Grichuk is almost certainly the better player over the next 5 years.

Hard to feel bad for a guy who has made $10M, but this is just how it goes. Even in the old "throw money around to aging vets in free agency" he probably wouldn't have cashed in much. Players get paid in their free agent years, and Pillar is simply not going to be very good after he becomes a free agent. Grichuk is a much better hitter, a skill that ages well, and not that much worse defensively.