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Re: Toronto (5-11) @ Minnesota (8-4) -- April 15-18 

Post#61 » by So_Fresh » Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:32 am

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So_Fresh wrote:It's not only the one game. He's been playing well in AAA as well.


He was okay in AAA over 9 games. A hitter with as much experience as he has should be at least that good, probably better.

For the sake of it: his career AAA line is .299/.387/.415. His career major league line is .239/.309/.316. He's pretty much the definition of a AAAA player.
That's all fine Scad but there's no denying he is the better hitter and deserves a look and stay with the big club. Even though it's a small sample size. Soogard had a strong spring as well.

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Re: Toronto (5-11) @ Minnesota (8-4) -- April 15-18 

Post#62 » by Lateral Quicks » Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:43 am

Good to give Thornton a lead to work with. See if he can recover from his rough start last game.
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Re: Toronto (5-11) @ Minnesota (8-4) -- April 15-18 

Post#63 » by BigLeagueChew » Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:46 am

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Re: Toronto (5-11) @ Minnesota (8-4) -- April 15-18 

Post#64 » by Schad » Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:52 am

So_Fresh wrote:That's all fine Scad but there's no denying he is the better hitter and deserves a look and stay with the big club. Even though it's a small sample size. Soogard had a strong spring as well.


I am denying that he's the better hitter. There are very few players for which it's true that Eric Sogard is the superior hitter. In fact, even including this year's numbers, Brandon Drury has been a much better hitter at the major league level.
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Re: Toronto (5-11) @ Minnesota (8-4) -- April 15-18 

Post#65 » by So_Fresh » Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:57 am

Thornton sucks! Nice pickup Shatkins. smh.
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Re: Toronto (5-11) @ Minnesota (8-4) -- April 15-18 

Post#66 » by So_Fresh » Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:58 am

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So_Fresh wrote:That's all fine Scad but there's no denying he is the better hitter and deserves a look and stay with the big club. Even though it's a small sample size. Soogard had a strong spring as well.


I am denying that he's the better hitter. There are very few players for which it's true that Eric Sogard is the superior hitter. In fact, even including this year's numbers, Brandon Drury has been a much better hitter at the major league level.


I could care less about past stats Scad. Soogard is the better hitter right now. I want him playing on this team. Drury hasn't shown us anything and we're almost 20 games into the season. This is all a moot point anyways once Vladi is called up. So who cares.
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Re: Toronto (5-11) @ Minnesota (8-4) -- April 15-18 

Post#67 » by Schad » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:04 am

Sogard was the better hitter as of yesterday and yesterday only. That does not make it likely that he will be a better hitter tomorrow. This is an example of recency bias at work; baseball is a high-variance sport where players routinely have periods of success and failure. If you make roster decisions on that basis, you're going to consistently make the wrong decision based on bad information.

Similarly, Thornton was excellent for two starts. Now, he has been bad for two starts. He's a young pitcher in the majors for the first time; this is not uncommon, and it doesn't mean he sucks.
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Re: Toronto (5-11) @ Minnesota (8-4) -- April 15-18 

Post#68 » by So_Fresh » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:10 am

I make roster decisions on who is playing better and who has the hot bat or pitching well at that time. I'll guarantee you I will have better success winning games if i continued with this approach.
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Re: Toronto (5-11) @ Minnesota (8-4) -- April 15-18 

Post#69 » by Schad » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:35 am

No, no you won't. That's the point here. You will be forever overreacting to singular events, and those events will not be indicative of their future results.
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Re: Toronto (5-11) @ Minnesota (8-4) -- April 15-18 

Post#70 » by Schad » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:43 am

Here's an example: through 13 games, this player is hitting .191 with just 1 HR (he's supposed to be something of a power hitter). His teammate's hitting .320. You have to DFA one. Which one do you keep?

If your answer was "keep the guy hitting .320", you just DFAed Jose Bautista a day before his breakout, in order to keep Mike McCoy's hot bat on the team.
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Re: Toronto (5-11) @ Minnesota (8-4) -- April 15-18 

Post#71 » by Black Watch » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:12 am

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Re: Toronto (5-11) @ Minnesota (8-4) -- April 15-18 

Post#72 » by Fairview4Life » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:49 am

Lol
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Re: Toronto (5-11) @ Minnesota (8-4) -- April 15-18 

Post#73 » by Skin Blues » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:50 pm

So_Fresh wrote:I make roster decisions on who is playing better and who has the hot bat or pitching well at that time. I'll guarantee you I will have better success winning games if i continued with this approach.

Your guarantee isn't worth the the digital paper you wrote it on. This is a terrible approach that no GM would ever use to run their team.
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Re: Toronto (5-11) @ Minnesota (8-4) -- April 15-18 

Post#74 » by So_Fresh » Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:48 pm

Let's stay on topic and focus on the series at hand. Don't like to make it personal and get off-topic and into the back and forth with members (who think they know it all.) on this forum. Thanks.

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Freddy Galvis (S) SS
Randal Grichuk (R) CF
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Re: Toronto (5-11) @ Minnesota (8-4) -- April 15-18 

Post#75 » by Fairview4Life » Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:33 pm

So_Fresh wrote:Don't like to make it personal and get off-topic and into the back and forth with members (who think they know it all.) on this forum. Thanks.


You were so close.
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Re: Toronto (5-11) @ Minnesota (8-4) -- April 15-18 

Post#76 » by BigLeagueChew » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:15 pm

Sogard > chris davis
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Re: Toronto (5-11) @ Minnesota (8-4) -- April 15-18 

Post#77 » by Brinbe » Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:43 pm

One of the better offensive days so far... 8-12 isn't so bad considering that terribad offense in the first twenty games.
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Re: Toronto (5-11) @ Minnesota (8-4) -- April 15-18 

Post#78 » by So_Fresh » Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:20 pm

Nice win. Soogard with a big hit to score 3 runs. Could have been 3 hits for him today if it wasn't for the diving play in the 1st inning.
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Re: Toronto (5-11) @ Minnesota (8-4) -- April 15-18 

Post#79 » by Lateral Quicks » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:27 pm

8-12 thru the first 20 games. A 40% winning percentage seems about right. The offense is showing some more life recently, and with Vlad on the way things looking up (relatively speaking). Should be a little more watchable, at any rate.
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Re: Toronto (5-11) @ Minnesota (8-4) -- April 15-18 

Post#80 » by So_Fresh » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:34 am

Anyone feel free to the make the next game series. I think i'm going to take some time off this forum.

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