ImageImageImageImageImage

2019 Deadline Thread

Moderators: Alfred, Rhettmatic, Schad

User avatar
Cyrus
Senior Mod - Raptors
Senior Mod - Raptors
Posts: 30,601
And1: 1,209
Joined: Jun 15, 2001
Location: Is taking his talents to South Beach!

Re: 2019 Deadline Thread 

Post#401 » by Cyrus » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:38 am

Schad wrote:To expound on that: they had traded Trammell (a top 30 prospect), Shed Long (a fringe top 100 per Fangraphs), a Competitive Balance pick, Josiah Gray (also fringe top 100) and Jeter Downs (45+ FV per PG, so one step below fringe top 100) over the past ten months and they're still bad and have little chance of being anything but bad next year.

It's absolute malpractice. They can't trade Votto, so they want to win with Votto. Only, they don't have the resources to win with Votto, so they'll be mediocre with him instead while crippling their future.


That's who we should have pounced on to trade Marcus if they were interested. Maybe we didn't like Trammell ;)
User avatar
Schad
Forum Mod
Forum Mod
Posts: 49,718
And1: 10,895
Joined: Feb 08, 2006
Location: The Goat Rodeo
     

Re: 2019 Deadline Thread 

Post#402 » by Schad » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:48 am

Guessing that they wanted their True Ace, which Bauer was last year and Stroman has never risen to be. Which is nice and all, but unless they're upping their payroll massively, they have a solid-to-good rotation for next season, Senzel and Suarez, and sweet **** all else. After throwing most of their chips in on a one-year run this year, they're doubling down by throwing the rest in on a one-year run next year. And while Sonny Gray may recoup value if he doesn't turn into a pumpkin again, they'll basically have nothing else to show for it if they fail to make the playoffs in 2020.
**** your asterisk.
guvernator
Senior
Posts: 616
And1: 33
Joined: Jul 16, 2010

Re: 2019 Deadline Thread 

Post#403 » by guvernator » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:49 am

Maybe stroman trade depressed the trade market but I like what jays got for stro more than the prospects being exchanged bauer (not much of a trammel fan - too much cameron maybin/poor man's byron buxton vibes).
User avatar
Cyrus
Senior Mod - Raptors
Senior Mod - Raptors
Posts: 30,601
And1: 1,209
Joined: Jun 15, 2001
Location: Is taking his talents to South Beach!

Re: 2019 Deadline Thread 

Post#404 » by Cyrus » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:52 am

How the hell did Indians do so well, all they give up is Bauer, get 2 x 20 hr hitters, one that's 23, and Logan as a prospect
User avatar
Schad
Forum Mod
Forum Mod
Posts: 49,718
And1: 10,895
Joined: Feb 08, 2006
Location: The Goat Rodeo
     

Re: 2019 Deadline Thread 

Post#405 » by Schad » Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:02 am

Circumstance, I guess. You have the thirsty Reds, and you have a team in SD that must feel that Trammell is well-suited to patrolling the enormous space that is their centerfield. Allen's a pretty comparable prospect to Anthony Kay; Franny Reyes is a thumper of baseballs, but has one of the worst swinging strike rates in the league, and may be too beefy for the OF long-term (and 1B is tied up forever thanks to the Hosmer deal) so presumably they feel that they're selling high on him and buying low of Trammell.
**** your asterisk.
User avatar
Adrian_05
RealGM
Posts: 17,081
And1: 4,261
Joined: Aug 22, 2012
     

Re: 2019 Deadline Thread 

Post#406 » by Adrian_05 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:15 am

Read on Twitter
User avatar
Cyrus
Senior Mod - Raptors
Senior Mod - Raptors
Posts: 30,601
And1: 1,209
Joined: Jun 15, 2001
Location: Is taking his talents to South Beach!

Re: 2019 Deadline Thread 

Post#407 » by Cyrus » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:55 am

Schad wrote:Circumstance, I guess. You have the thirsty Reds, and you have a team in SD that must feel that Trammell is well-suited to patrolling the enormous space that is their centerfield. Allen's a pretty comparable prospect to Anthony Kay; Franny Reyes is a thumper of baseballs, but has one of the worst swinging strike rates in the league, and may be too beefy for the OF long-term (and 1B is tied up forever thanks to the Hosmer deal) so presumably they feel that they're selling high on him and buying low of Trammell.


Still don't make sense, how come we didn't get that "Circumstance."

They got a pending free agent in puig, a youngish either feast or famine outfielder (like a hernandes or Girchuk, though i guess they are better defensively), Allen who is rated in the top 100 in prospect- #98 (7th on San Diego deep farm team - So slightly better than kay, but i guess a similar like pitcher).

Plus Scott Moss (Ranked #12 in mlb pipeline for Reds prospect) and Lottery ticket Nova.

Or if say Padres weren't involved, Cleveland could have got at the very least, Puig, Trammell, and Scott Moss for Bauer.


On a side note, Edward Olivarer is starting to look pretty good (Former jay signing traded for Yangervis Solarte ughh)
And1Skip
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,940
And1: 5,800
Joined: Jun 08, 2003
       

Re: 2019 Deadline Thread 

Post#408 » by And1Skip » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:12 am

Read on Twitter
?s=21
User avatar
Schad
Forum Mod
Forum Mod
Posts: 49,718
And1: 10,895
Joined: Feb 08, 2006
Location: The Goat Rodeo
     

Re: 2019 Deadline Thread 

Post#409 » by Schad » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:18 am

My guess is that we didn't get that circumstance because we didn't have what Cincy wanted: someone they could convince themselves was an ace that would lead them to glory. They reportedly kicked the tires on Stroman in the offseason but didn't value him at a level proportional to our ask (which probably wasn't more than they gave up here).

And unfortunately, that's often what makes trades...a team decides that they have to have a thing, accept no substitutes. Cincy deciding that they had to have a 'real ace' may have led them to overpay drastically for Bauer. The Jays' view of SWR may well have led them to take something that at least now looks like an underpay.
**** your asterisk.
polo007
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,031
And1: 1,097
Joined: Nov 02, 2006

Re: 2019 Deadline Thread 

Post#410 » by polo007 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:01 am

Read on Twitter
polo007
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,031
And1: 1,097
Joined: Nov 02, 2006

Re: 2019 Deadline Thread 

Post#411 » by polo007 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:20 pm


Is there a disconnect between the Blue Jays front office and the manager with injuries? Steve Phillips joined us this morning to discuss.
User avatar
Skin Blues
Veteran
Posts: 2,551
And1: 826
Joined: Nov 24, 2010

Re: 2019 Deadline Thread 

Post#412 » by Skin Blues » Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:40 pm

I don't understand the appeal of Instagram. The app is terrible and riddled with ads, for one, and you can't even see how long a video is, let alone skip forward/back. I guess it draws in a lot of hot girls that want to get popular without having to show their nipples, but it's worse than Twitter is pretty much every possible way.
polo007
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,031
And1: 1,097
Joined: Nov 02, 2006

Re: 2019 Deadline Thread 

Post#413 » by polo007 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:07 pm

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter
User avatar
T-d0t
Head Coach
Posts: 6,043
And1: 10,063
Joined: Nov 08, 2012
Location: T-dot
       

Re: 2019 Deadline Thread 

Post#414 » by T-d0t » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:21 pm

Selling low on Sanchez... Great
vaff87
RealGM
Posts: 21,348
And1: 68,428
Joined: Oct 22, 2003
       

Re: 2019 Deadline Thread 

Post#415 » by vaff87 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:22 pm

T-d0t wrote:Selling low on Sanchez... Great


We've been waiting 2.5 years for Sanchez to regain value .... hasn't happened.
rotty wrote:Wow
polo007
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,031
And1: 1,097
Joined: Nov 02, 2006

Re: 2019 Deadline Thread 

Post#416 » by polo007 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:32 pm

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter
User avatar
Cyrus
Senior Mod - Raptors
Senior Mod - Raptors
Posts: 30,601
And1: 1,209
Joined: Jun 15, 2001
Location: Is taking his talents to South Beach!

Re: 2019 Deadline Thread 

Post#417 » by Cyrus » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:38 pm

Yeah with Rays, and Cleveland getting DH and/or 1st basebats, don't see much of market for Smaok. Maybe Yankees? But they can just plug Edwin at first if they are desperate.
wamco
Sophomore
Posts: 178
And1: 28
Joined: Nov 02, 2014

Re: 2019 Deadline Thread 

Post#418 » by wamco » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:10 pm

I wish Atkins would hand over trade duties to someone else
phillipmike
Pro Prospect
Posts: 975
And1: 867
Joined: Jan 07, 2012
       

Re: 2019 Deadline Thread 

Post#419 » by phillipmike » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:11 pm

Read on Twitter
dagger
RealGM
Posts: 38,497
And1: 11,022
Joined: Aug 19, 2002
         

Re: 2019 Deadline Thread 

Post#420 » by dagger » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:14 pm

Somehow, several teams are after Aaron Sanchez but I can’t see offers coming that would reflect his value if he has indeed started to turn things around. They would be looking for a bargain.


Sent from my iPad using RealGM Forums
2019 will never be forgotten because FLAGS FLY FOREVER

Return to Toronto Blue Jays