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Slightly late, so we can pretend the first seven innings of today's game didn't happen.

No Vladdy and starting Jackson on a holiday at home, yup fair to say the blue jays organization dont give a sh**t about their fans

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TheDunc wrote:No Vladdy and starting Jackson on a holiday at home, yup fair to say the blue jays organization dont give a sh**t about their fans

Didn't really have a choice with the pitching, unless we were going to start Stroman on short rest, which would be seriously unwise. On Vlad, perhaps you play him, but he's too much of an asset to break up our planned rest schedule just to trot him out on a Monday afternoon.

What a miserable move by the organization to rest Vladdy today. Rest him on the road. The fans have almost nothing to cheer about this year and you're doing to rest him at home on a holiday game, while he's hot, against a good lefty pitcher. Is that a passive aggressive **** you to the fans for their lack of attendance this year? Tell me the organization is not so inept as to choose this day at random.

Natural11 wrote:What a miserable move by the organization to rest Vladdy today. Rest him on the road. The fans have almost nothing to cheer about this year and you're doing to rest him at home on a holiday game, while he's hot, against a good lefty pitcher. Is that a passive aggressive **** you to the fans for their lack of attendance this year? Tell me the organization is not so inept as to choose this day at random.

Day game after a travel day, which is a typical time to rest a player. It's not ineptitude, and it's not passive-aggression...it's treating Vlad as an incredibly valuable asset and sticking to a schedule, rather than deploying him as a sideshow. Honestly, I'm just happy that we aren't trying to do silly things to placate our fanbase anymore, and are more focused on building for the future.

Schad wrote:Day game after a travel day, which is a typical time to rest a player. It's not ineptitude, and it's not passive-aggression...it's treating Vlad as an incredibly valuable asset and sticking to a schedule, rather than deploying him as a sideshow. Honestly, I'm just happy that we aren't trying to do silly things to placate our fanbase anymore, and are more focused on building for the future.

They could have slotted him at DH for a game. I agree with Buck and Dan on this one. Lame move on the Jays' part that could have been better planned.

The idea is to get him a full rest day every week. We have no days off from the 13th to the 30th; this was a perfectly logical time to schedule the day off. Again, Vlad is much more important to us than changing his schedule to trot him out on moderately-attended Monday afternoons, even if it is Victoria Day.

Seems that nobody was watching him yesterday or tomorrow.

Would this be much different than Kawhi sitting regular season games for the Raptors. i think people were okay with that.

TheDunc wrote:No Vladdy and starting Jackson on a holiday at home, yup fair to say the blue jays organization dont give a sh**t about their fans

Dome was closed too,,,, was it raining in The 6ix?

SharoneWright wrote:

TheDunc wrote:No Vladdy and starting Jackson on a holiday at home, yup fair to say the blue jays organization dont give a sh**t about their fans

Dome was closed too,,,, was it raining in The 6ix?

It was cool, cloudy and windy.

Natural11 wrote:

Schad wrote:Day game after a travel day, which is a typical time to rest a player. It's not ineptitude, and it's not passive-aggression...it's treating Vlad as an incredibly valuable asset and sticking to a schedule, rather than deploying him as a sideshow. Honestly, I'm just happy that we aren't trying to do silly things to placate our fanbase anymore, and are more focused on building for the future.

They could have slotted him at DH for a game. I agree with Buck and Dan on this one. Lame move on the Jays' part that could have been better planned.

Agreed. The kid is 20. I suspect he can handle DH in a day game after a night game.

Edit: And if this really was a concern, why not sit him Sunday? It's more important that he play in front of the home fans on a national holiday.

My only thought here is that maybe this is a cover for a disciplinary issue? I doubt it, but it's the only thing that really makes any sense. Unless management is totally inept, which I suppose is also possible.

Schad wrote:

Natural11 wrote:What a miserable move by the organization to rest Vladdy today. Rest him on the road. The fans have almost nothing to cheer about this year and you're doing to rest him at home on a holiday game, while he's hot, against a good lefty pitcher. Is that a passive aggressive **** you to the fans for their lack of attendance this year? Tell me the organization is not so inept as to choose this day at random.

Day game after a travel day, which is a typical time to rest a player. It's not ineptitude, and it's not passive-aggression...it's treating Vlad as an incredibly valuable asset and sticking to a schedule, rather than deploying him as a sideshow. Honestly, I'm just happy that we aren't trying to do silly things to placate our fanbase anymore, and are more focused on building for the future.

He is 20 years old. Personally I don’t care but this was obviously a misstep by management. You have an opportunity to excite one of the larger crowds of the season and instead you spit in their face. Great strategy if you don’t care about attendance numbers.

BigLeagueChew wrote:Seems that nobody was watching him yesterday or tomorrow.

Would this be much different than Kawhi sitting regular season games for the Raptors. i think people were okay with that.

People were not ok with that, especially people that went to a home game and didn’t get to see the player they paid to see (maybe they are ok with it now that the dividends are there). But baseball is not basketball and Vlad is not Kawhi. The physical demands of a DH do not come close to those of a basketball player. Kawhi played 9 games last year and is a pending free agent who’s health will determine the difference between 190 million and significantly less.

Vlad should only receive full off days on the road. At home he should be a dh if he “needs” rest.

Ya. I'm not cool with the day off either. And I couldn't care less about Wins-Losses. But if you are going to make fans watch Galvis and McKinney and Sogard and Mayza and..... you better give them something to be excited about, or at least something that would make them reconsider buying another ticket to a game this year. Kid was player of the week, on a hot streak, is 20 years old, and plays baseball. Under no circumstances is load management a thing with Vlad Jr.

bluerap23 wrote:

Schad wrote:

Natural11 wrote:What a miserable move by the organization to rest Vladdy today. Rest him on the road. The fans have almost nothing to cheer about this year and you're doing to rest him at home on a holiday game, while he's hot, against a good lefty pitcher. Is that a passive aggressive **** you to the fans for their lack of attendance this year? Tell me the organization is not so inept as to choose this day at random.

Day game after a travel day, which is a typical time to rest a player. It's not ineptitude, and it's not passive-aggression...it's treating Vlad as an incredibly valuable asset and sticking to a schedule, rather than deploying him as a sideshow. Honestly, I'm just happy that we aren't trying to do silly things to placate our fanbase anymore, and are more focused on building for the future.

He is 20 years old. Personally I don’t care but this was obviously a misstep by management. You have an opportunity to excite one of the larger crowds of the season and instead you spit in their face. Great strategy if you don’t care about attendance numbers.

I would add that if this was planned long ago, some idiot could have looked at the schedule to schedule the off day another time.

Moreover, we're not talking about a pitcher on an innings limit. We know why in today's velocity age, pitchers are usually kept to around 100 pitches - no one wants to manufacture Tommy John candidates. But with position players, who are healthy, there is no reason I can think of to give Vlad an off-day. He could have DH'd, since there was no urgency to use Tellez against the left hander Price. Moreover, the Jays played a half game on Saturday in Chicago, so everyone had a little less wear on them, and the off-day schedule could have been adjusted for that fact alone.

bluerap23 wrote:He is 20 years old. Personally I don’t care but this was obviously a misstep by management. You have an opportunity to excite one of the larger crowds of the season and instead you spit in their face. Great strategy if you don’t care about attendance numbers.

We barely drew more yesterday than we have on regular weekend games. This is really silly; again, people are asking that we treat our best prospect ever as a marketing hook first and a baseball player second, and that's really foolish. We should do whatever we believe will be best for his development, because that is what will ultimately draw crowds in the future. We didn't adjust the rotation to ensure that Halladay never started on the road before a home series either, or pitch him on short rest for super-important holidays celebrating long-dead British people, because why would you? If Pearson's up in a year, will people demand that we pitch him 200 IP For The Fans!!! even if he hasn't exceeded 100 before?

Let baseball be the sole determinant of baseball decisions. The fans might or might not understand in the moment, but guess what: it won't matter in the slightest if those baseball decisions help us to be good again.

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SharoneWright wrote:

TheDunc wrote:No Vladdy and starting Jackson on a holiday at home, yup fair to say the blue jays organization dont give a sh**t about their fans

Dome was closed too,,,, was it raining in The 6ix?

They won't open the Dome until I think June 6... there is or was some construction nearby or some $hit

bluerap23 wrote:
People were not ok with that, especially people that went to a home game and didn’t get to see the player they paid to see (maybe they are ok with it now that the dividends are there). But baseball is not basketball and Vlad is not Kawhi. The physical demands of a DH do not come close to those of a basketball player. Kawhi played 9 games last year and is a pending free agent who’s health will determine the difference between 190 million and significantly less.

Vlad should only receive full off days on the road. At home he should be a dh if he “needs” rest.

Hes only getting games off because of his lat injury earlier this year, he should get games off according to their plan not when the next holiday falls. Maybe July 1st they're not even worried about days off anymore.