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Post#161 » by gundysmullet » Sat Aug 3, 2019 4:46 am

Schad wrote:Let's use a real-by-god example here, and one that makes sense given that the Rays really pioneered the opener thing. Ryne Stanek started 50% of his appearances last year. Did well. His mix is a maxed-out FB/SL/SF combo, which is lethal in smaller doses, but if he has to back off the fastball for a longer stint, the FB/SF differential shrinks, and the movement on the slider diminishes. He's much better in shorter appearances, but not a world-beater at the back of a 'pen; he's a 7th/occasional 8th guy. Using an opener has made him a really valuable asset that gets through the toughest hitters an opponent has with enough regularity that he's probably going to 'start' more games than anyone has for several decades, with good numbers. That's a good use of his talents.

But I almost feel like it’s a self fulfilling prophecy. It’s like openers can’t through a changeup when they’re openers but they’re openers because they can’t throw changeups and they can only throw for two innings, three max because they’re openers but because they’re openers they can’t throw for more than two or three innings.
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Re: Jays @ Orioles - Aug 1 - 3 - Bad Meets Worse 

Post#162 » by Schad » Sat Aug 3, 2019 4:56 am

gundysmullet wrote:But I almost feel like it’s a self fulfilling prophecy. It’s like openers can’t through a changeup when they’re openers but they’re openers because they can’t throw changeups and they can only throw for two innings, three max because they’re openers but because they’re openers they can’t throw for more than two or three innings.


Openers are relievers.

Relievers are guys with limited repertoires that can only manage a turn through the rotation, at most.

Openers are relievers good enough to be better in a single turn through the top portion of the order than a starter might be.

Based on that criteria there are a lot of potential openers.
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Re: Jays @ Orioles - Aug 1 - 3 - Bad Meets Worse 

Post#163 » by Lateral Quicks » Sat Aug 3, 2019 2:08 pm

Now need to go 18-32 (36% winning percentage) or better the rest of the way to avoid 100 losses. Even with this shambles pitching staff, I think we should manage that.
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Post#164 » by Lateral Quicks » Sat Aug 3, 2019 5:11 pm

He's loosening up :)

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Post#165 » by gundysmullet » Sat Aug 3, 2019 6:52 pm

Lateral Quicks wrote:He's loosening up :)

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Man, he is so fat for being so young. He's really gotta completely overhaul his diet.
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Post#166 » by Adrian_05 » Sat Aug 3, 2019 7:44 pm

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Post#167 » by Lateral Quicks » Sat Aug 3, 2019 7:52 pm

Yennsy Diaz? Unexpected. He's been good most of the year in AA, especially at home.

Seems a bit early, but at almost 23 and the big league team not playing for a playoff spot not a bad idea to give him a look.
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Post#168 » by polo007 » Sat Aug 3, 2019 8:34 pm

Lateral Quicks wrote:Yennsy Diaz? Unexpected. He's been good most of the year in AA, especially at home.

Seems a bit early, but at almost 23 and the big league team not playing for a playoff spot not a bad idea to give him a look.

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Post#169 » by BigLeagueChew » Sat Aug 3, 2019 10:13 pm

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Post#170 » by vaff87 » Sat Aug 3, 2019 11:15 pm

Man, Vladdy hits the ball insanely hard.
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Post#171 » by Adrian_05 » Sat Aug 3, 2019 11:59 pm

Lol Fisher is a scrub.
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Post#172 » by BigLeagueChew » Sun Aug 4, 2019 12:05 am

vaff87 wrote:Man, Vladdy hits the ball insanely hard.


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It one hops the wall and the outfielder charged it.
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Post#173 » by gundysmullet » Sun Aug 4, 2019 12:07 am

Bo Bichette has started off as Big League career on a six game hitting streak. Anybody know the record for a rookie starting their career?
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Post#174 » by BigLeagueChew » Sun Aug 4, 2019 12:26 am

gundysmullet wrote:Bo Bichette has started off as Big League career on a six game hitting streak. Anybody know the record for a rookie starting their career?


Most recently Juan Pierre for the Rockies with a 16 game streak in 2000, record is Chuck Aleno in 1941 with a 17 game streak and then the overall record by a rookie in a season is 34 games by Benito Santiago, another former Blue Jay.
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Post#175 » by BigLeagueChew » Sun Aug 4, 2019 12:38 am

If vlad's legs were not tree trunks, he could have been hurt badly on that one.
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Re: Jays @ Orioles - Aug 1 - 3 - Bad Meets Worse 

Post#176 » by Lateral Quicks » Sun Aug 4, 2019 12:38 am

Well, that escalated quickly.
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Post#177 » by Scott Hall » Sun Aug 4, 2019 12:47 am

Wow Sanchez throwing a no-no through 5
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Post#178 » by gundysmullet » Sun Aug 4, 2019 1:10 am

BigLeagueChew wrote:
gundysmullet wrote:Bo Bichette has started off as Big League career on a six game hitting streak. Anybody know the record for a rookie starting their career?


Most recently Juan Pierre for the Rockies with a 16 game streak in 2000, record is Chuck Aleno in 1941 with a 17 game streak and then the overall record by a rookie in a season is 34 games by Benito Santiago, another former Blue Jay.

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Post#179 » by gundysmullet » Sun Aug 4, 2019 1:13 am

Scott Hall wrote:Wow Sanchez throwing a no-no through 5

Wait, I am confused because several posters here specifically said that he was going to definitely be in the bullpen for Houston. Why is he starting?
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Post#180 » by Lateral Quicks » Sun Aug 4, 2019 1:15 am

Hate to jump to conclusions, but Sanchez no-no through 5 and Fisher allows a routine pop-up to hit him in the face and exits the game. Ugghh
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