Kurtz wrote:vaff87 wrote:Kurtz wrote:
Oh ok. Well that's why I like them both - up until this year, the two were responsible for the greatest moments Toronto sports fans have experienced for the past 20 years (unless you're a big MLS/CFL fan).
They’re both fine, but overrated. Their fanboys conveniently forget the negatives with them.
Masai, Kawhi and Lowry are actual champions. Kawhi blew away anything Vince did in his one year in Toronto. Lowry has had much more success than Vince ever had, and now he’s a champion.
Ok, but why seek to diminish one man to aggrandize another? Kawhi and Vince both did very great, if different things for Toronto.
Vince's shot against Philly rims out, and Kawhi's rims in. Reverse the two coin-flip outcomes, and perhaps today VC is seen as our hero and champion, and Kawhi the villain that left us after a 2nd-round defeat.
Plus let's not forget that if not for Vince, there's a non-zero chance that Raptors go the way of the Grizzlies ages ago.
I find the logic that Vince put the Raptors “on the map” complete nonsense, tbh.
And c’mon, Kawhi is a much better player than Vince ever was. The hypothetical of if you reverse the outcomes is silly. One guy was a 2x champion, 2x finals MVP, 2x dpoy before he turned 28. The other has been in the league 20+ years and has nowhere near those accomplishments; hasn’t even reached the finals, let alone won them. Kawhi will be one of the greatest players of all time, Vince is nowhere close to that.