Stroman to Mets for Kay, Woods Richardson

[Ado05]

This FO really loves their mediocre outfielders.

Anyways, of course Stroman would be starting for the Yankees in the playoffs. Who's Cashman trying to fool?

Paxton/Tanaka/German/Severino would be the rotation they were counting on for the playoffs. With Sabathia and Happ as long-men already in the bullpen. Obviously you can't count on the health of all those guys. And it might be a bight hyperbolic to say Stroman woudl be in the bullpen. But if things went to plan, Stroman would only have been a marginal improvement for the rotation. Hard to count on German slapping his girlfriend, which is the reason they could really use Stroman right now.

You'd really put German in there over Stroman?

[phillipmike]

Stroman has great results in the playoffs and has a higher WAR than any other Yankee pitcher with the exception of Paxton who he is tied with.

German is a rookie and Paxton has yet to pitch in the playoffs.

Stroman would definitely be in the Yankees playoff rotation. Cashman just doing damage control.

Say what you want about Stroman but this guy is a big game pitcher.

[Schad]

German's also, while otherwise a good pitcher, seriously prone to surrendering home runs. Check his splits against good and bad teams...teams above .500 had a 267 ISO against him this year, 232 career. I'd be pretty hesitant about starting him in an important playoff game.

[Skin Blues]

This FO really loves their mediocre outfielders.

Anyways, of course Stroman would be starting for the Yankees in the playoffs. Who's Cashman trying to fool?

Paxton/Tanaka/German/Severino would be the rotation they were counting on for the playoffs. With Sabathia and Happ as long-men already in the bullpen. Obviously you can't count on the health of all those guys. And it might be a bight hyperbolic to say Stroman woudl be in the bullpen. But if things went to plan, Stroman would only have been a marginal improvement for the rotation. Hard to count on German slapping his girlfriend, which is the reason they could really use Stroman right now.

You'd really put German in there over Stroman?

No, I definitely wouldn't. But if that's the guy who is your #4 starter in the playoffs - a guy who might make 1 or 2 starts, if you're lucky - then I don't know if it's worth giving up Frazier for Stroman.

As Schad (and Stroman, in hilarious fashion) have mentioned, the Yankees starters are very prone to homers. And these days, I don't think that gets as much attention as it should. Keeping the ball on the ground is all of a sudden a huge asset. Unless MLB switches the balls again, which seems like a foregone conclusion, we just don't know what the effects will be. But for now, a guy with a high groundball rate even if the K% isn't quite there, is very desirable. It's why I think Zeuch is a bit more valuable to us than most people would think when looking at the peripherals, which are completely underwhelming.

[dagger]

Paxton/Tanaka/German/Severino would be the rotation they were counting on for the playoffs. With Sabathia and Happ as long-men already in the bullpen. Obviously you can't count on the health of all those guys. And it might be a bight hyperbolic to say Stroman woudl be in the bullpen. But if things went to plan, Stroman would only have been a marginal improvement for the rotation. Hard to count on German slapping his girlfriend, which is the reason they could really use Stroman right now.

You'd really put German in there over Stroman?

No, I definitely wouldn't. But if that's the guy who is your #4 starter in the playoffs - a guy who might make 1 or 2 starts, if you're lucky - then I don't know if it's worth giving up Frazier for Stroman.

As Schad (and Stroman, in hilarious fashion) have mentioned, the Yankees starters are very prone to homers. And these days, I don't think that gets as much attention as it should. Keeping the ball on the ground is all of a sudden a huge asset. Unless MLB switches the balls again, which seems like a foregone conclusion, we just don't know what the effects will be. But for now, a guy with a high groundball rate even if the K% isn't quite there, is very desirable. It's why I think Zeuch is a bit more valuable to us than most people would think when looking at the peripherals, which are completely underwhelming.

If a guy has a good low-in-the-zone fastball, a couple of decent breaking and change of speed pitches, you can probably beat most hitters. I agree that Zeuch is worth watching, especially if he can limit his BBs. Until the game changes, we have every Tom, Dick and Harry swinging for the fences, and every second Tom, Dick and Harry being defended by the shift. But I'm cool with any pitching staff next season that doesn't include a high usage reliever with an ERA over 8.00 (Brock Stewart).

[Schad]

No, I definitely wouldn't. But if that's the guy who is your #4 starter in the playoffs - a guy who might make 1 or 2 starts, if you're lucky - then I don't know if it's worth giving up Frazier for Stroman.

As Schad (and Stroman, in hilarious fashion) have mentioned, the Yankees starters are very prone to homers. And these days, I don't think that gets as much attention as it should. Keeping the ball on the ground is all of a sudden a huge asset. Unless MLB switches the balls again, which seems like a foregone conclusion, we just don't know what the effects will be. But for now, a guy with a high groundball rate even if the K% isn't quite there, is very desirable. It's why I think Zeuch is a bit more valuable to us than most people would think when looking at the peripherals, which are completely underwhelming.

If you can keep it on the ground. One of the oddities: while sinkers generate more groundballs, when they do get hit in the air, they go farther:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-sinker-paradox/

Definitely doesn't completely negate the value of sinkers, but it's a large part of the reason that, at a time when grounders have never been more valuable, teams are turning away from the pitch that generates the most grounders.

[dagger]

No, I definitely wouldn't. But if that's the guy who is your #4 starter in the playoffs - a guy who might make 1 or 2 starts, if you're lucky - then I don't know if it's worth giving up Frazier for Stroman.

I'm happy we didn't trade for Frazier who just sounds like a half dozen other replacement level caucasian position players this team has traded for, because they seem to tick off some kind of analytics box.

https://elitesportsny.com/2019/09/25/new-york-yankees-clint-frazier-hasnt-done-enough-to-earn-october-spot/

Frazier was recalled by the Yankees on Sept. 1 and has played in just eleven games since his promotion. During those games, Frazier has recorded a trio of doubles, one home run, four RBI, .188 ISO, .190 BABIP, an awful 29 wRC+ and a hitting line of just .156/.182/.344/.526. The Yankees’ outfielder has also further struggled to get on-base since arriving back to the major leagues. Frazier has created an even worse walk rate of 3% and a 30.3% strikeout rate since the start of September.

The Yankees are also still concerned with Frazier’s fielding issues on fly balls in the outfield as well. While with the Yankees, Frazier has spent the majority of his time in right field. Playing 259.2 innings in short right field at Yankee Stadium this season, Frazier has committed three errors and recorded a -6 DRS, -5 UZR and a -26 UZR/150.

[I_Like_Dirt]

I just think Yankees the prospects the Yankees routinely leak in trade discussions tend to be way overrated in the first place. The Yankees don't often trade the prospects they like the most but hype up the other guys and don't trade them unless some sucker comes along to really pay up. Frazier gets ranked highly but I've never been so sure about him. He might be okay but I don't see any real wow factor there. When was the last time the Yankees gave up a prospect that actually panned out?

[Skin Blues]

No, I definitely wouldn't. But if that's the guy who is your #4 starter in the playoffs - a guy who might make 1 or 2 starts, if you're lucky - then I don't know if it's worth giving up Frazier for Stroman.

I'm happy we didn't trade for Frazier who just sounds like a half dozen other replacement level caucasian position players this team has traded for, because they seem to tick off some kind of analytics box.

https://elitesportsny.com/2019/09/25/new-york-yankees-clint-frazier-hasnt-done-enough-to-earn-october-spot/

Frazier was recalled by the Yankees on Sept. 1 and has played in just eleven games since his promotion. During those games, Frazier has recorded a trio of doubles, one home run, four RBI, .188 ISO, .190 BABIP, an awful 29 wRC+ and a hitting line of just .156/.182/.344/.526. The Yankees’ outfielder has also further struggled to get on-base since arriving back to the major leagues. Frazier has created an even worse walk rate of 3% and a 30.3% strikeout rate since the start of September.

The Yankees are also still concerned with Frazier’s fielding issues on fly balls in the outfield as well. While with the Yankees, Frazier has spent the majority of his time in right field. Playing 259.2 innings in short right field at Yankee Stadium this season, Frazier has committed three errors and recorded a -6 DRS, -5 UZR and a -26 UZR/150.

Would it be better if he was black?

And instead of an arbitrary 11 games in September, why not an arbitrary 48 games from April 6 to June 14 where he put up a 131 wRC+??

Anyway... I don't think he'd have been a better return than what we got from the Mets, but 11 games with expanded rosters and his skin colour hardly seem relevant.

[Tanner]

Whether they are black or white is irrelevant, but targeting players whose only skill is hitting the ball hard and/or in the air (literally no other developed skill) in an era where Eric Sogard can hit 13 home runs is pretty damn stupid.

[Schad]

I think you all might be reading a bit too deeply into a tongue-in-cheek comment. I have it on good authority that dagger is "Jim Nantz reading the shipping report" levels of caucasity.

[Black Watch]

I'm happy we didn't trade for Frazier who just sounds like a half dozen other replacement level caucasian position players this team has traded for, because they seem to tick off some kind of analytics box.

I think you all might be reading a bit too deeply into a tongue-in-cheek comment. I have it on good authority that dagger is "Jim Nantz reading the shipping report" levels of caucasity.

Unless you're calling him a cuck, Dagger's race is immaterial.

Let's just all stop talking about race.

[phillipmike]

https://theathletic.com/1489574/2019/12/30/john-sickels-top-100-mlb-prospects-for-2020/

9) Nate Pearson, RHP, Toronto Blue Jays, Grade A-: Previously No. 10; 2.30 ERA in 102 innings between High-A/Double-A/Triple-A with 119/27 K/BB rate; you can make a good case for as high as No. 4 depending on assessment of Mize’s injury risk.

60) Jordan Groshans, SS-3B, Toronto Blue Jays, Grade B+: Previously No. 54; hot start with .337/.427/.482 in 23 games in Low-A until going down with foot injury; no change in status, just needs health.

70) Simeon Woods Richardson, RHP, Toronto Blue Jays, Grade B+: Previously unranked; 3.80 ERA with 126/24 K/BB in 109 innings in Low-A/High-A; throws hard, has a plus curveball, changeup improving, throws strikes, just needs to prove his durability.

86) Anthony Kay, LHP, Toronto Blue Jays, Grade B: Previously No. 87; 2.96 ERA with 135/56 K/BB in 134 innings in Double-A/Triple-A; posted 5.79 ERA in 14 major league innings with 13/5 K/BB; still has some command glitches but live-armed lefties get lots of slack.

To the ones who thought it was a bad deal, it isn’t anymore, because a mainstream prospect list is telling you otherwise.

[phillipmike]

https://www.mlb.com/news/breakout-prospects-for-2020

Blue Jays: Simeon Woods Richardson, RHP (No. 6) -- The Mets’ second-round pick from the 2018 Draft pitched better than his numbers suggest he did at Class A Columbia, and he made six impressive starts for Class A Advanced Dunedin after joining the Blue Jays in the Marcus Stroman Trade Deadline deal to finish his first full season with a 126/24 K/BB and .238 BAA in 106 2/3 innings. The 19-year-old righty is a high-ceiling pitching prospect, armed with a plus fastball-curveball combo, an advanced changeup and a mature overall feel for his craft that could help him move quickly through the Minors.

[Garrett]

https://www.mlb.com/news/breakout-prospects-for-2020

Blue Jays: Simeon Woods Richardson, RHP (No. 6) -- The Mets’ second-round pick from the 2018 Draft pitched better than his numbers suggest he did at Class A Columbia, and he made six impressive starts for Class A Advanced Dunedin after joining the Blue Jays in the Marcus Stroman Trade Deadline deal to finish his first full season with a 126/24 K/BB and .238 BAA in 106 2/3 innings. The 19-year-old righty is a high-ceiling pitching prospect, armed with a plus fastball-curveball combo, an advanced changeup and a mature overall feel for his craft that could help him move quickly through the Minors.

Thank for posting...I love reading stuff like this!

[phillipmike]

https://www.mlb.com/news/breakout-prospects-for-2020

Blue Jays: Simeon Woods Richardson, RHP (No. 6) -- The Mets’ second-round pick from the 2018 Draft pitched better than his numbers suggest he did at Class A Columbia, and he made six impressive starts for Class A Advanced Dunedin after joining the Blue Jays in the Marcus Stroman Trade Deadline deal to finish his first full season with a 126/24 K/BB and .238 BAA in 106 2/3 innings. The 19-year-old righty is a high-ceiling pitching prospect, armed with a plus fastball-curveball combo, an advanced changeup and a mature overall feel for his craft that could help him move quickly through the Minors.

Thank for posting...I love reading stuff like this!

No problem. You are welcome!