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Re: Joe Biagini, Aaron Sanchez traded to Astros for Derek Fisher 

Post#321 » by Schad » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:58 am

Comically, given how much talk there has been around the trade, there's a decent chance that come winter all three of the major leaguers in the deal will be DFAed/non-tendered.
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Post#322 » by wamco » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:54 pm

And Stevenson will laugh and laugh. Side bet. Who gets more career wins as a jay? Merryweather or me?
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Re: Joe Biagini, Aaron Sanchez traded to Astros for Derek Fisher 

Post#323 » by phillipmike » Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:34 pm

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Sanchez likely to be non tendered.

Biagini likely to not be on the playoff roster. Also hasnt pitched since September 10th where he gave up 6 runs without getting an out.

Might turn out to be just Stevenson for Fisher.
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Re: Joe Biagini, Aaron Sanchez traded to Astros for Derek Fisher 

Post#324 » by fbalmeida » Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:57 am

phillipmike wrote:
Read on Twitter


Read on Twitter


Sanchez likely to be non tendered.

Biagini likely to not be on the playoff roster. Also hasnt pitched since September 10th where he gave up 6 runs without getting an out.

Might turn out to be just Stevenson for Fisher.


Which still makes it a bad trade. :lol:
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Re: Joe Biagini, Aaron Sanchez traded to Astros for Derek Fisher 

Post#325 » by Al_Oliver » Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:50 am

fbalmeida wrote:
phillipmike wrote:
Read on Twitter


Read on Twitter


Sanchez likely to be non tendered.

Biagini likely to not be on the playoff roster. Also hasnt pitched since September 10th where he gave up 6 runs without getting an out.

Might turn out to be just Stevenson for Fisher.


Which still makes it a bad trade. :lol:


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Re: Joe Biagini, Aaron Sanchez traded to Astros for Derek Fisher 

Post#326 » by Schad » Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:24 pm

Stevenson for $1.4m (which is roughly what it'd be if you deduct all of the players and just take the difference between Sanchez/Biagini and Fisher/min salary replacement) is oddly about fair value from Fangraphs' surplus value calculator, although not a deal I'd want to be making ever.
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Post#327 » by Skin Blues » Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:00 pm

Both sides of the trade also wound up with negative WAR from the MLB players, which is quite funny. Although for this to turn out as a wash, we had to rely on Aaron Sanchez tearing up his shoulder and being unlikely to be ready for the start of 2020. Which, while he's been injury prone, was far from a foregone conclusion.
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Re: Joe Biagini, Aaron Sanchez traded to Astros for Derek Fisher 

Post#328 » by I_Like_Dirt » Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:41 pm

Skin Blues wrote:Both sides of the trade also wound up with negative WAR from the MLB players, which is quite funny. Although for this to turn out as a wash, we had to rely on Aaron Sanchez tearing up his shoulder and being unlikely to be ready for the start of 2020. Which, while he's been injury prone, was far from a foregone conclusion.


I dunno, I think it's pretty likely that Sanchez would have continued pitching poorly for the Astros like he was before he got hurt. Other than his first game against the Mariners he was extremely underwhelming. And while his shoulder came out of the blue, had that not happened the likelihood of him developing blisters of some sort was extremely high and probably would have ended with the same result. Sanchez just isn't very good and is hurt a lot.
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Re: Joe Biagini, Aaron Sanchez traded to Astros for Derek Fisher 

Post#329 » by Schad » Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:20 pm

Yeah, even when Sanchez is healthy it was probably nothing for nothing. Still annoying to have added a prospect, however fringy, but this will probably will go down in Jays board history as the highest pages-to-on-field-impact of any thread.
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Re: Joe Biagini, Aaron Sanchez traded to Astros for Derek Fisher 

Post#330 » by phillipmike » Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:08 pm

Aaron Sanchez likely to miss the 2020 season;

Some details of Aaron Sanchez’s rather mysterious shoulder surgery were revealed today, as Sanchez told reporters (including Chandler Rome of the Houston Chronicle) that his September 10 procedure addressed a tear in his right shoulder capsule. The right-hander intends to pitch in 2020, though there isn’t any chance he’ll be ready for an Opening Day roster.

Rome made the comparison to Julio Urias’ capsule procedure, which took place in late June 2017 and kept the Dodgers hurler off a big league mound until mid-September 2018. While the circumstances of such surgeries vary from person to person, Urias’ injury was a relatively “clean” issue that didn’t include any other shoulder problems beyond the capsule, yet he was still out of action on the long end of a projected 12-to-14 month timeline.

Assuming that Sanchez’s injury is similar in nature, a return by late September 2020 would seem to be really pushing it. There isn’t a long track record of pitchers successfully regaining their old form following capsule surgeries, though Urias has posted some strong numbers (2.52 ERA, 3.27 K/BB rate, 9.7 K/BB) over 78 2/3 innings for Los Angeles this season, pitching mostly out of the bullpen.
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Re: Joe Biagini, Aaron Sanchez traded to Astros for Derek Fisher 

Post#331 » by Schad » Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:29 pm

That really sucks. I was never Sanchez's biggest fan, but that's the absolute last thing his career needed, and that's a really tough injury to come back from.
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