Charlie Montoyo

[SharoneWright]

Alright. My personal elephant in the room.....

What do we have in a manager??

Does it even matter? Who knows... But Charlie was hailed as some advanced stats new era guru who would creatively win games with unique strategy. So far... meh. Good that he speaks Spanish I guess. But very mild mannered. Very invisible to be honest.

Is he the guy to get the best out of this team? What makes him great? Player relations?? Is Charlie's brain analyzing the game and churning out shrewd decisions that strike fear in the heart of the opponent? Do you trust him to guide a burgeoning playoff team and one-day championship team?? Convince me.

[KL78192020]

cool story bro

[Brinbe]

Always saw him as a sort of a bridge manager to ensure Vlad and Co are comfortable during the rebuild and their early years. Whether he stays or not I guess depends on if they actually make progress in the standings year after year.

Yes, I know that's obvious but I've also not been knocked away by his managing so far. We don't really have an identity (other then we're rebuilding) and I don't know if I picture him as that guy to lead us to a WS.

He's kinda in that Brett Brown spot right now to mix sports.

[The_Hater]

Are some people still under the illusion that a manager, any manager, makes much difference in the grand scheme of things? Baseball is an individual sport masquerading as a team sport.

[Wo1verine]

Every-time i see him smile i am like dude go see a dentist already you're making good coin no excuses.

[Lateral Quicks]

Are some people still under the illusion that a manager, any manager, makes much difference in the grand scheme of things? Baseball is an individual sport masquerading as a team sport.

True, but managers can make a big difference by putting players in situations to succeed. And a bad manager can cost the team games with poor decision-making - Gibby did this an alarming number of times, for example.

Also, a manager plays a role in setting the clubhouse atmosphere. People in any career tend to perform better when they have a good work environment.

I think in the sabermetric era, the role of the manager has been far too diminished.

[The_Hater]

Are some people still under the illusion that a manager, any manager, makes much difference in the grand scheme of things? Baseball is an individual sport masquerading as a team sport.

True, but managers can make a big difference by putting players in situations to succeed. And a bad manager can cost the team games with poor decision-making - Gibby did this an alarming number of times, for example.

Also, a manager plays a role in setting the clubhouse atmosphere. People in any career tend to perform better when they have a good work environment.

I think in the sabermetric era, the role of the manager has been far too diminished.

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You’re free to argue otherwise, but I feel that just reinforces my point.

[Black Watch]

In today's MLB, the manager is largely inconsequential, with most in-game decisions being made by the Front Office, either through pre-planning or through direct communication. Managers are now merely prefects for the 6-month roaming slumber party that is the MLB season, where they play almost every day of the 6 months (just three off-days a month) and need some prodding here and there.

[Garrett]

So far I am not a fan of Charlie. He made several questionable decisions last season.

[BigLeagueChew]

The outfield was a mess particularly when Gurriel was out.

Third base wasn't great but understandable for Vlad's first season and translating to turf.

Rotation thin.

We've fixed one them so far and the others is a work in progress. Hopefully we find an above average player or two from our average ones kind of like Edwin and Bautista used to be.

I'd be interested in hearing what he did wrong.

[Lateral Quicks]

Montoyo had nothing to work with last year. You can't push any of the right buttons if the buttons don't exist in the first place.

The jury is still very much out. Hopefully some of that Tampa Bay Rays magic shows up with more talent at his disposal.

[Schad]

He seems mostly fine? A lot of the decisions made in 2019 weren't optimal from a game-winning standpoint, but it's unclear whether they were intended to be. Mostly, it was about getting playing time for youngsters/finding out what our options are down the road, especially with some of the weirder defensive choices.

[dagger]

He seems mostly fine? A lot of the decisions made in 2019 weren't optimal from a game-winning standpoint, but it's unclear whether they were intended to be. Mostly, it was about getting playing time for youngsters/finding out what our options are down the road, especially with some of the weirder defensive choices.

I can't imagine how to benchmark the manager of a team that was committed to development over winning. This season, with a focus on getting to, say 77-81 wins, we will have a better indication of whether his decision making is getting in the way of long-term success. As of right now, I am completely agnostic about whether he is a good manager for this team.

[The_Hater]

So far I am not a fan of Charlie. He made several questionable decisions last season.

Such as what? Playing one of his 34 rookies instead of another?

[Garrett]

So far I am not a fan of Charlie. He made several questionable decisions last season.

Such as what? Playing one of his 34 rookies instead of another?

I guess you don't watch many Jays games.

[Fairview4Life]

Lol, I guess you’ve never read this board? Why not just post a few of his questionable decisions for discussion instead? We talked a lot about specific decisions during the season, but it’s tough to figure out why they were made. Playing certain guys in certain situations seemed like it could either be dumb, or could be just trying to see what some guys could do in a development season.

[The_Hater]

So far I am not a fan of Charlie. He made several questionable decisions last season.

Such as what? Playing one of his 34 rookies instead of another?

I guess you don't watch many Jays games.

So you don’t have anything specific, but you’re right and everyone else is an idiot.

OK

[Garrett]

Such as what? Playing one of his 34 rookies instead of another?

I guess you don't watch many Jays games.

So you don’t have anything specific, but you’re right and everyone else is an idiot.

OK

Everyone? Nope...just you.

[BigLeagueChew]

Everyone? Nope...just you.

Stop dodging. If you claim to be the Jays game watching Champion at least tell us some managerial mistakes.

[SharoneWright]

Re-confirming my fears this year. Seems he doesn't have the tactics. Nice guy though.