General Blue Jays Thread

Fairview4Life · Post #201 » by **Fairview4Life** » Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:25 pm

ROWDY TELLEZ IS OFFICIATING THE MARRIAGE. LOL THEY **** STUCK IT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE WEDDING PARTY LIST WITH NO EXPLANATION

Post #202 » by **Schad** » Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:43 pm

Also, three pitchers as groomsmen. I feel like this should now be a metric used to evaluate catchers. "Excellent clubhouse presence: four SP groomsman type".

polo007 · Post #203 » by **polo007** » Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:12 pm

Shapiro: Defence and strike throwing 'obvious' areas of need for Jays - TSN

Toronto Blue Jays president and CEO Mark Shapiro explains how improving the defence and the team's strike throwing are two areas of need for the club heading into the off-season. Shapiro discusses how the pandemic will affect how he approaches free agents, especially considering the team's uncertain plans of playing in Toronto next year, and why he's confident the team's success over 60 games will translate to a 162-game season.

polo007 · Post #204 » by **polo007** » Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:33 pm

Read on Twitter

polo007 · Post #205 » by **polo007** » Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:23 pm

Read on Twitter

polo007 · Post #206 » by **polo007** » Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:29 pm

Shapiro wants Blue Jays back in Toronto but nothing decided yet | Tim and Sid

16:00 | October 22, 2020

Mark Shapiro joined Tim and Sid and talked about the Toronto Blue Jays’ potential plans for next season with so little information being available so far.

Post #207 » by **Schad** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:01 am

Gurriel as a GG finalist is the 2020 twist I did not see coming.

ratul · Post #208 » by **ratul** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:23 pm

Below average in hitting, pitching and defense for the Jays this year. Five years into a rebuild. Great job Shatkins!

Fairview4Life · Post #209 » by **Fairview4Life** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:57 pm

Schad wrote:Gurriel as a GG finalist is the 2020 twist I did not see coming.

Should he be? He always looks like he's a giraffe being chased by a lion when he's running, but I guess he does get the job done.

Post #210 » by **Schad** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:29 pm

ratul wrote:Below average in hitting, pitching and defense for the Jays this year. Five years into a rebuild. Great job Shatkins!

There is absolutely no metric of note where we were below-average offensively. 7th in runs scored, 11th by wRC+, 12th by wOBA...we were a good offensive team. We're likely to be an even better offensive team in the future, too.

Michael Bradley · Post #211 » by **Michael Bradley** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:24 pm

polo007 wrote:Shapiro: Defence and strike throwing 'obvious' areas of need for Jays - TSN

Toronto Blue Jays president and CEO Mark Shapiro explains how improving the defence and the team's strike throwing are two areas of need for the club heading into the off-season. Shapiro discusses how the pandemic will affect how he approaches free agents, especially considering the team's uncertain plans of playing in Toronto next year, and why he's confident the team's success over 60 games will translate to a 162-game season.

The uncertainty of where the team will play next season seems like something that is not talked about enough when it comes to improving in 2021. They could play home games in Toronto, Buffalo, or Dunedin. In a MLB stadium or a Minor League facility. I don't know how they possibly sell that to a free agent who has other options. I'm sure money, term, and organizational fit will compensate for some of that, but that still seems like a pretty large hurdle in theory without even getting into the Canada/US aspect.

It will be a very interesting off-season. Supply is likely going to far exceed demand in the free agent market this winter due to Covid. Also, the 2020 minor league season was lost, and the minors as a whole will look vastly different in 2021-beyond, so with the Jays looking a bit higher on the win curve now, it wouldn't shock me if this is the winter Atkins starts trading prospect depth for big leaguers.

Post #212 » by **Schad** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:27 pm

I'm really dubious that it matters that much. Like, the Oakland A's facilities overflow with sewage on a semi-regular basis. The Rays play in a trash bag in a swamp. The Reds once built a near-dynasty while playing on sandpaper for Lady Hitler. While neither of the two modern teams are top-level spenders, they've also demonstrated the ability to retain talent when they do open their pocketbooks.

Michael Bradley · Post #213 » by **Michael Bradley** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:46 pm

The A's and Rays are still US-based teams that play in MLB quality stadiums and clubhouses. If the Rays/A's were trying to recruit a free agent and told them that they didn't know whether they'd play in Tampa/Oakland, Vancouver, or Mesa the following season, with the latter two being minor league or Spring Training facilities, then I'd expect the same level of reluctance from players. I'm sure money and term, plus organization (ex. one that is great at developing pitchers, fixing hitters, etc) can override that, but it's likely still going to be an issue for free agents who 1) have other options, and 2) are particular about where they play. I have no doubt that average free agents without many suitors or non-tendered players just looking for opportunities to play wouldn't consider it a big enough hurdle. Just free agents of any real significance, which is hopefully the free agent aisle the Jays will be shopping in.

Post #214 » by **Schad** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:24 pm

The A's most definitely do not have MLB-quality clubhouses. They've had a literal river of **** running through them on multiple occasions. Dangerously high levels of e. coli were found in the clubhouses on another occasion. It's overrun with rodents. The field itself was often a chewed-up mess thanks to Raiders games.

But if they were good and waved money at free agents, people would sign there. Especially if it was only a temporary nuisance.

ratul · Post #215 » by **ratul** » Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:58 am

Schad wrote:
ratul wrote:Below average in hitting, pitching and defense for the Jays this year. Five years into a rebuild. Great job Shatkins!

There is absolutely no metric of note where we were below-average offensively. 7th in runs scored, 11th by wRC+, 12th by wOBA...we were a good offensive team. We're likely to be an even better offensive team in the future, too.

We were 12th in ops so average to slightly above average. Below average on defense and pitching. Five years into a rebuild with a gm who has never won a World Series and made the playoffs with his own team twice in 20 years.

What Shatkins is good at is selling snake oil. The promise of something better in the future yet offering a giant stinker in the present. He was able to dupe cleveland for years on this.

Any gm would do a better job.

Fairview4Life · Post #216 » by **Fairview4Life** » Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:01 pm

Ah yes, the minute a gm leaves an organization, all of the players the developed and acquired immediately become the new GM’s. That’s why AA is the architect of the Braves and Shapiro wasn’t of those good Cleveland teams. High quality analysis.

Post #217 » by **Schad** » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:48 pm

ratul wrote:We were 12th in ops so average to slightly above average. Below average on defense and pitching. Five years into a rebuild with a gm who has never won a World Series and made the playoffs with his own team twice in 20 years.

What Shatkins is good at is selling snake oil. The promise of something better in the future yet offering a giant stinker in the present. He was able to dupe cleveland for years on this.

Any gm would do a better job.

Stating that we're "five years into a rebuild" is absurd on its face. The first year of that 'rebuild' involved a trip to the ALCS.

Know who did spend five years rebuilding with the Jays without a playoff appearance? Alex Anthopolous!

The_Hater · Post #218 » by **The_Hater** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:21 pm

ratul wrote:Below average in hitting, pitching and defense for the Jays this year. Five years into a rebuild. Great job Shatkins!

More like 5 years of listening to you spew nonsense without facts or common sense to back up your opinion. Yawn.

ratul · Post #219 » by **ratul** » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:33 am

Schad wrote:
ratul wrote:We were 12th in ops so average to slightly above average. Below average on defense and pitching. Five years into a rebuild with a gm who has never won a World Series and made the playoffs with his own team twice in 20 years.

What Shatkins is good at is selling snake oil. The promise of something better in the future yet offering a giant stinker in the present. He was able to dupe cleveland for years on this.

Any gm would do a better job.

Stating that we're "five years into a rebuild" is absurd on its face. The first year of that 'rebuild' involved a trip to the ALCS.

Know who did spend five years rebuilding with the Jays without a playoff appearance? Alex Anthopolous!

Come on pal - you know you're not being intellectually honest. You know Shapiro didn't build the 2016 team and was already effing it over slowly in that year. You also know that despite a slew of flexibility, he has given 65 mn to Randall and Tanner

You also know that Alex took over from possibly the most hated GM in Toronto Baseball history right? And a guy who never was GM ever again in JP Ricciardi.

We are potentially starting year six of the Shapiro experiment. Please god lets end this nonsense!

Fairview4Life · Post #220 » by **Fairview4Life** » Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:51 am

ratul wrote:
Schad wrote:
ratul wrote:We were 12th in ops so average to slightly above average. Below average on defense and pitching. Five years into a rebuild with a gm who has never won a World Series and made the playoffs with his own team twice in 20 years.

What Shatkins is good at is selling snake oil. The promise of something better in the future yet offering a giant stinker in the present. He was able to dupe cleveland for years on this.

Any gm would do a better job.

Stating that we're "five years into a rebuild" is absurd on its face. The first year of that 'rebuild' involved a trip to the ALCS.

Know who did spend five years rebuilding with the Jays without a playoff appearance? Alex Anthopolous!

Come on pal - you know you're not being intellectually honest. You know Shapiro didn't build the 2016 team and was already effing it over slowly in that year. You also know that despite a slew of flexibility, he has given 65 mn to Randall and Tanner

You also know that Alex took over from possibly the most hated GM in Toronto Baseball history right? And a guy who never was GM ever again in JP Ricciardi.

We are potentially starting year six of the Shapiro experiment. Please god lets end this nonsense!

Year 6, with year 1 being a trip to the ALCS and year 5 being a trip to the playoffs. Sounds like a successful rebuild!