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Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020
Posted: Tue Mar 2, 2021 9:13 pm
by Brinbe
in agreement with this
Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020
Posted: Tue Mar 2, 2021 9:53 pm
by Schad
Unquestionably: if it was known in the Indians org, Shapiro and Atkins need to answer as to what they knew...and answer similarly difficult questions if they suggest they didn't know, because that is no less of a problem.
Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020
Posted: Tue Mar 2, 2021 10:55 pm
by vaff87
Why do they have to answer anything when his behaviour was only reported to the team in 2017?
Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020
Posted: Tue Mar 2, 2021 11:39 pm
by The_Hater
vaff87 wrote:Why do they have to answer anything when his behaviour was only reported to the team in 2017?
If that’s the case, then they should speak to this fact.
I do think it’s unfair to expect an employer to knwo all the personal details, good and bad, about their employees. My employer certainly doesn’t know everything about me. But if they turned a blind eye to people making reports about Calloway, that’s different. If they did investigate and found nothing, there should be employment files with those details inside.
Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020
Posted: Wed Mar 3, 2021 12:22 am
by Schad
Yeah, that's the essence of it. The Indians are investigating, and the crux of that has to be: how far up the chain did it get? If it got all the way to the top, when and what was/wasn't done about it? Did anyone make Shapiro/Atkins aware before the time that Atkins was endorsing Callaway for other jobs?
It's possible that it didn't filter up to them when there, and thus didn't reach them at all once the Indians were aware (and Shapiro/Atkins had moved on). But you gotta show the receipts one way or another.
Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020
Posted: Wed Mar 3, 2021 7:27 pm
by polo007
EP 95 - MARK SHAPIRO on the renovations in Dunedin, Nate Pearson, George Springer and more.
• March 3, 2021
The Bob McCown Podcast
President and CEO of the Toronto Blue Jays, Mark Shapiro, stops by to talk about the new complex renovations in Dunedin, What he's learned about George Springer so far, Nate Pearson & the Jays rotation and his comments on the Mickey Callaway allegations
Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020
Posted: Wed Mar 3, 2021 11:43 pm
by polo007
Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020
Posted: Thu Mar 4, 2021 5:53 pm
by polo007
Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020
Posted: Thu Mar 4, 2021 6:08 pm
by polo007
Atkins addresses allegations against Mickey Callaway from time in Cleveland - Sportsnet.ca22:32 | March 4, 2021
Ross Atkins addressed the allegations against Mickey Callaway for inappropriate sexual conduct during his time with the Cleveland Indians, and spoke about the changes required to improve the culture around the game.
Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020
Posted: Thu Mar 4, 2021 6:27 pm
by The_Hater
Predicable response, but Atkins better hope that evidence disputing his statement doesn’t come out or his career is over too.
Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020
Posted: Fri Mar 5, 2021 7:14 am
by vaff87
The_Hater wrote:Predicable response, but Atkins better hope that evidence disputing his statement doesn’t come out or his career is over too.
If Atkins was actually recommending him to other teams, I would guess he really didn’t know he was a creep. He’s not going to willingly put his reputation on the line for a guy like that.
But even if he did know Calloway was a creep, I highly doubt it’s going to “end his career”. Just look how quickly Alex Cora and AJ Hinch got hired after what they did.
Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020
Posted: Fri Mar 5, 2021 12:59 pm
by Fairview4Life
vaff87 wrote:If Atkins was actually recommending him to other teams, I would guess he really didn’t know he was a creep. He’s not going to willingly put his reputation on the line for a guy like that.
Not knowing is only a little better, quite frankly. it really calls into question your management skills.
Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020
Posted: Fri Mar 5, 2021 1:13 pm
by The_Hater
vaff87 wrote:The_Hater wrote:Predicable response, but Atkins better hope that evidence disputing his statement doesn’t come out or his career is over too.
If Atkins was actually recommending him to other teams, I would guess he really didn’t know he was a creep. He’s not going to willingly put his reputation on the line for a guy like that..
I wouldn’t assume that at all vaff. Friends sweep their friends problems under the rug all the time and then pretend nothing ever happened. Organizations sweep problems thst might harm the reputation of the organization under the rug quite often as well.
As for the 2nd part, there’s a pretty big difference between sign stealing and covering up for a sexual predator. Unlike the 2 names you gave, Calloway’s MLB career you might notice, is essentially over.
Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020
Posted: Fri Mar 5, 2021 1:31 pm
by vaff87
Fairview4Life wrote:vaff87 wrote:If Atkins was actually recommending him to other teams, I would guess he really didn’t know he was a creep. He’s not going to willingly put his reputation on the line for a guy like that.
Not knowing is only a little better, quite frankly. it really calls into question your management skills.
The Indians hired Calloway as a minor league pitching coach. Atkins was Director of Player Development at that time. Given how much Atkins would have to oversee, I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect him to have a perfect handle on whether every single employee is behaving properly, especially when they’re spread all across the country. He needs to keep track of a bunch of kids and how they’re doing. The coaches will tell you how the players are doing. But who exactly would report to him about a coach acting inappropriately? They don’t have day-to-day oversight, because they’re expected to know how to handle themselves. So obviously they made a mistake hiring him, but I’m not sure it’s fair to criticize him a whole lot for not knowing he was acting like a creep.
Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020
Posted: Fri Mar 5, 2021 2:24 pm
by bluerap23
Man - this board was already thin on posts related to the on field product. Can this Shatkins material stay in the Shatkins thread?
Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:14 am
by johanliebert
Just learned wilner was let go. Of the baseball broadcast team he was the ultimate company man and the one to get fired LOL
Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:17 pm
by bluerap23
johanliebert wrote:Just learned wilner was let go. Of the baseball broadcast team he was the ultimate company man and the one to get fired LOL
He became redundant when Schulman came back. Schulman is the superior analyst. I never liked Wilner. His attitude with callers post game was extremely arrogant and rude. People would make pretty terrible comments and ask bad questions, but that isn't an excuse.
Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:02 pm
by johanliebert
bluerap23 wrote:johanliebert wrote:Just learned wilner was let go. Of the baseball broadcast team he was the ultimate company man and the one to get fired LOL
He became redundant when Schulman came back. Schulman is the superior analyst. I never liked Wilner. His attitude with callers post game was extremely arrogant and rude. People would make pretty terrible comments and ask bad questions, but that isn't an excuse.
He was mocked for years by the same people I’m reading sent well wishes after his departure. He wasn’t liked by colleagues or the fans that’s why I had to laugh he really thought Rogers had his back
Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:11 pm
by gei
Anyone else planning on going to the Texas Rangers home opener against the Blue Jays in a couple of weeks? They are expecting a sold out crowd - should be an awesome environment.
I was fortunate enough to escape Toronto back in January and am living in Miami at the moment until the police-state restrictions back home are over, so traveling to Texas is just a quick flight. I realize it's a bit more difficult for Jays fans back home who are effectively imprisoned in Canada, but I imagine there are tons of snowbirds here in Florida who must be considering it! Maybe we can get a post-game meetup going!
Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:48 pm
by Yeezus_
gei wrote:Anyone else planning on going to the Texas Rangers home opener against the Blue Jays in a couple of weeks? They are expecting a sold out crowd - should be an awesome environment.
I was fortunate enough to escape Toronto back in January and am living in Miami at the moment until the police-state restrictions back home are over, so traveling to Texas is just a quick flight. I realize it's a bit more difficult for Jays fans back home who are effectively imprisoned in Canada, but I imagine there are tons of snowbirds here in Florida who must be considering it! Maybe we can get a post-game meetup going!
Just because you dont agree with the rules and think its pointless, lots of people have been affected by Covid including deaths in the family. Some would be on the side of going back into a full lockdown. Lets not throw hyperboles just because you disagree with whats happening. No one is imprisoned here.