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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (19-16) @ Boston Red Sox (12-26) Sep. 3rd - 6th 

Post#41 » by GoRapstheoriginal » Sat Sep 5, 2020 2:03 am

IDIOTS! BASED LOADED & CAN'T EVEN GET A RUN IN! Totally useless!!!
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (19-16) @ Boston Red Sox (12-26) Sep. 3rd - 6th 

Post#42 » by Metallikid » Sat Sep 5, 2020 2:04 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:How do you not pinch hit Vlad for Fisher with bases loaded down a run in the second to last inning?

He's inept.


Yeah I came on just to say I don't see how that isn't a pinch hit for Vladdy...
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (19-16) @ Boston Red Sox (12-26) Sep. 3rd - 6th 

Post#43 » by Schad » Sat Sep 5, 2020 2:07 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:How do you not pinch hit Vlad for Fisher with bases loaded down a run in the second to last inning?

He's inept.


Right-handed slider-dominant pitcher on the mound? I'm not actually certain that's the wrong move on paper. Counter-argument is that maybe Vlad's more likely to work a walk, I guess.
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (19-16) @ Boston Red Sox (12-26) Sep. 3rd - 6th 

Post#44 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat Sep 5, 2020 2:09 am

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Randle McMurphy wrote:How do you not pinch hit Vlad for Fisher with bases loaded down a run in the second to last inning?

He's inept.


Right-handed slider-dominant pitcher on the mound? I'm not actually certain that's the wrong move on paper. Counter-argument is that maybe Vlad's more likely to work a walk, I guess.

Vlad is obviously a far better hitter than Fisher (who has a career 74wRC+ and has never hit whatsoever in the majors). Far more likely to make contact and far more likely to work a walk. There's no real defense for using a struggling Fisher in that spot.

He's honestly the worst manager I've ever seen in baseball. This is basic stuff he's getting wrong on a daily basis.
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (19-16) @ Boston Red Sox (12-26) Sep. 3rd - 6th 

Post#45 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat Sep 5, 2020 2:24 am

Regardless of the outcome, the fact that Vlad came up to pinch hit the inning after they left the bases loaded with Fisher makes the decision even more stunning.
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Post#46 » by Metallikid » Sat Sep 5, 2020 2:25 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
Schad wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:How do you not pinch hit Vlad for Fisher with bases loaded down a run in the second to last inning?

He's inept.


Right-handed slider-dominant pitcher on the mound? I'm not actually certain that's the wrong move on paper. Counter-argument is that maybe Vlad's more likely to work a walk, I guess.

Vlad is obviously a far better hitter than Fisher (who has a career 74wRC+ and has never hit whatsoever in the majors). Far more likely to make contact and far more likely to work a walk. There's no real defense for using a struggling Fisher in that spot.

He's honestly the worst manager I've ever seen in baseball. This is basic stuff he's getting wrong on a daily basis.


Joe Siddal saying he'd even have rather seen Panik who was also on the bench and bats left.
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (19-16) @ Boston Red Sox (12-26) Sep. 3rd - 6th 

Post#47 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat Sep 5, 2020 2:29 am

Metallikid wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
Schad wrote:
Right-handed slider-dominant pitcher on the mound? I'm not actually certain that's the wrong move on paper. Counter-argument is that maybe Vlad's more likely to work a walk, I guess.

Vlad is obviously a far better hitter than Fisher (who has a career 74wRC+ and has never hit whatsoever in the majors). Far more likely to make contact and far more likely to work a walk. There's no real defense for using a struggling Fisher in that spot.

He's honestly the worst manager I've ever seen in baseball. This is basic stuff he's getting wrong on a daily basis.


Joe Siddal saying he'd even have rather seen Panik who was also on the bench and bats left.

Panik is trash too, but he's way more likely to make contact at least.

Vlad is probably your 3rd best hitter on the team, he has to hit in that spot if available (which he clearly was).
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (19-16) @ Boston Red Sox (12-26) Sep. 3rd - 6th 

Post#48 » by Natural11 » Sat Sep 5, 2020 2:51 am

I can't believe he let Fisher bat there. He may have lost us another one with that decision. How many is that now? Must be 5-6.
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Post#49 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat Sep 5, 2020 3:04 am

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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (19-16) @ Boston Red Sox (12-26) Sep. 3rd - 6th 

Post#50 » by JaysRule15 » Sat Sep 5, 2020 3:16 am

Yea huge screw up by Montoyo there. Fisher needed to be lifted in that situation.
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Post#51 » by Metallikid » Sat Sep 5, 2020 3:28 am

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I saw the interview and I don't even think Charlie believed what he was saying. Felt very Casey-esque.
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Post#52 » by JaysRule15 » Sat Sep 5, 2020 2:05 pm

I think Montoyo was brought in as a tank commander who would see us through the rest of the rebuild and help get our prospects acclimated to the majors. With the team in a playoff race, it definitely feels like he's in over his head.

You can tell it's not just us fans. Even Buck, Dan, Joe often sound flabbergasted at some of his decisions.
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Post#53 » by dagger » Sat Sep 5, 2020 3:42 pm

I'm not liking some of his moves, but this is basically the roster of a .500 team that has benefited from some extraordinary luck. The bottom third of the order is terrible, and when you have Bichette out, it only amplifies the situation - there is no momentum generated offensively most nights, and the team is utterly dependent on the home run to win games. They have a left hand hitting catcher who isn't hitting, can't throw out runners, and when he tries throws wide. If not for this run at a one round playoff appearance, we might be trying Alejandro Kirk by now.
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Post#54 » by bluerap23 » Sat Sep 5, 2020 8:54 pm

dagger wrote:I'm not liking some of his moves, but this is basically the roster of a .500 team that has benefited from some extraordinary luck. The bottom third of the order is terrible, and when you have Bichette out, it only amplifies the situation - there is no momentum generated offensively most nights, and the team is utterly dependent on the home run to win games. They have a left hand hitting catcher who isn't hitting, can't throw out runners, and when he tries throws wide. If not for this run at a one round playoff appearance, we might be trying Alejandro Kirk by now.


When healthy, bottom third is Gurriel, Shaw, Jansen. That isn't a bad bottom third.
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (19-16) @ Boston Red Sox (12-26) Sep. 3rd - 6th 

Post#55 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat Sep 5, 2020 11:36 pm

Always nice to bench Cavan Biggio with three weeks left in the season in a playoff race.

The idiot seriously doesn't even try to win these games.
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (19-16) @ Boston Red Sox (12-26) Sep. 3rd - 6th 

Post#56 » by Raider917 » Sun Sep 6, 2020 12:49 am

is Shoemaker very far off. watching Anderson or Roark is painful
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (19-16) @ Boston Red Sox (12-26) Sep. 3rd - 6th 

Post#57 » by vaff87 » Sun Sep 6, 2020 1:03 am

Wouldn’t be a 2020 Jays game without somebody getting thrown out on the bases.
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (19-16) @ Boston Red Sox (12-26) Sep. 3rd - 6th 

Post#58 » by GoRapstheoriginal » Sun Sep 6, 2020 1:09 am

Not looking good today/tonight.
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (19-16) @ Boston Red Sox (12-26) Sep. 3rd - 6th 

Post#59 » by Randle McMurphy » Sun Sep 6, 2020 1:33 am

You've gotta love Villar hitting leadoff.

Such an idiot.
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (19-16) @ Boston Red Sox (12-26) Sep. 3rd - 6th 

Post#60 » by vaff87 » Sun Sep 6, 2020 1:46 am

Another stupid baserunning decision smh

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