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Why? We need pitching, specifically starting pitching. This should be a priority not 4th outfielders

While Brantley makes very little sense from a positional standpoint (we're well and truly set with corner OF/DH types), there's a price point where you sign him and then move a Gurriel or Teoscar in a deal for a real pitching upgrade. But it's not a price point I really see Brantley signing at.

If we move Hernandez, who plays RF?

If we move Gurriel, we better be getting a stud back. Above average players entering their prime on a team-friendly deal don't grow on trees - Gurriel is poised to deliver a massive amount of surplus value over the next 4 years of team control.

Brantley might buy you more consistency/predictability over a guy like Tellez at DH, but otherwise I really don't see much point. The money is much better spent elsewhere IMO.

Lateral Quicks wrote:If we move Hernandez, who plays RF?

If we move Gurriel, we better be getting a stud back. Above average players entering their prime on a team-friendly deal don't grow on trees - Gurriel is poised to deliver a massive amount of surplus value over the next 4 years of team control.

Brantley might buy you more consistency/predictability over a guy like Tellez at DH, but otherwise I really don't see much point. The money is much better spent elsewhere IMO.

Yeah, that's essentially what you'd be looking at. Moving Gurriel for a young, well-regarded pitcher on a team that has young pitching to burn and a set rotation, but could use a corner OF (particularly one on a reasonable contract). And it would help if they have a tendency to wheel and deal.

...so, the Padres.

I feel like Grichuk is definitely a goner, and if we sign Brantley, he would be the 4th OF that DH's on days where Teo/Springer/Gurriel all play.

Regardless, I think that Grichuk is a goner.

T-d0t wrote:Why? We need pitching, specifically starting pitching. This should be a priority not 4th outfielders

You can also trade the surplus from one position to fill holes at another. Just need to think outside the box sometimes.

I dont see Grichuk being moved for anything but another bloated salary this offseason.

It'd probably be Gurriel.

Adrian_05 wrote:I dont see Grichuk being moved for anything but another bloated salary this offseason.

It'd probably be Gurriel.

Wouldn't expect to get much for him, but Grichuk is probably movable. Joc Pederson's projection was 2 years at a $9m AAV and Grichuk's on 3 years at $10.3m AAV...they're fairly similar players, handedness aside, with Pederson having a better overall history but a much worse 2020. A team like the Tigers that are known to want a bit of offense, and have no immediate payroll issues (nor any likelihood that they'll be competing soon) would make sense.

If going for another outfielder type would you rather have Brantley or Jackie Bradley Jr. I'm assuming the later would mean a longer term deal than Brantley?

Cyrus wrote:If going for another outfielder type would you rather have Brantley or Jackie Bradley Jr. I'm assuming the later would mean a longer term deal than Brantley?

Brantley makes way more sense, he is still an outstanding bat and he is a lefty which the team is light on.

JBJ give you value in the field and on the bases, but he wouldn't be playing CF with Springer in town so his value is minimal to the Jays.

When you can add a guy like Brantley to the lineup you take the opportunity and use surplus assets for areas of need. The Jays still have plenty of payroll flexibility.

i see the play. who goes and for what pitcher? i'd imagine they'd rather keep guri and trade teo

and i'd dump randy in a minute but don't think we'll find much takers for his contract.

Schad wrote:While Brantley makes very little sense from a positional standpoint (we're well and truly set with corner OF/DH types), there's a price point where you sign him and then move a Gurriel or Teoscar in a deal for a real pitching upgrade. But it's not a price point I really see Brantley signing at.

This. Dependent on the price, allows for some flexibility to trade either for pitching, although I would think Grichuk would also attract some interest. Also gives you another left handed bat and a guy that can get on base

Cyrus wrote:If going for another outfielder type would you rather have Brantley or Jackie Bradley Jr. I'm assuming the later would mean a longer term deal than Brantley?

I guess it depends on what the objective is with the Jays. They've always preached run prevention. If that's the case, Bradley probably gives you more flexibility as he's shown in the past he can play all three OF positions. If you're looking for more runs, Brantley has definitely been the more consistent bat.

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Yes, there are a number of secondary media posters saying a deal was done last night.


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It’s done per Hazel Mae.

And apparently for 3 years!

Confirmed by Hazel first, now Rosenthal