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Re: BJs (8-10) @ Rays (10-9) - April 23-25 

Post#281 » by GoRapstheoriginal » Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:00 pm

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Re: BJs (8-10) @ Rays (10-9) - April 23-25 

Post#282 » by Wo1verine » Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:01 pm

VanWest82 wrote:Ryu going down sucks. Their pitching has saved their asses this year though. I'm so impressed by the BP. If they could just find a way to keep guys healthy...

From the sounds of it doesn’t seem serious maybe he missies a start or 2

Minor butt strain.
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Re: BJs (8-10) @ Rays (10-9) - April 23-25 

Post#283 » by Hottie McShotty » Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:09 pm

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VanWest82 wrote:Ryu going down sucks. Their pitching has saved their asses this year though. I'm so impressed by the BP. If they could just find a way to keep guys healthy...

From the sounds of it doesn’t seem serious maybe he missies a start or 2

Minor butt strain.


I hope you're right. I'm hoping it's not the groin. He's had injuries to the groin area in the past and has missed significant time because of it.
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Re: BJs (8-10) @ Rays (10-9) - April 23-25 

Post#284 » by The_Hater » Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:13 pm

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How can you criticize Charlie for that move? Yandy Diaz has pretty distinct lefty/righty splits both this year and in his career.

Because it’s a continuation of the same pattern of decision making I’ve disliked about the manager and this organization the past few years. When you never make decisions based on game context at all and only look at the averages, that’s when you end up pulling a dominating Matt Shoemaker in a playoff game (or worst case scenario, your dominating ace in a WS game 6 a la Kevin Cash).

When you micromanage every game this way, you also end up overusing all of your RPs by July too.

Yeah you’ll likely never see a SP get a CG or go 7-8 innings very much. He’s too worried about how many times the lineup sees a SP.

BP will definitely be dead if he continues to use it they way he has early on.

Today he obviously had no choice with the injury to Ryu.


I hope you guys don’t think he’s the only manager that doesn’t change pitchers this often. Times have changed, nobody is letting their starters go deep anymore and RP’s are changed often.

And since we’re first in the league in pitching despite a long list of injuries, hard to criticize the manager for mishandling the pitching staff.
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Re: BJs (8-10) @ Rays (10-9) - April 23-25 

Post#285 » by Lateral Quicks » Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:26 pm

If Biggio doesn't start hitting he's going to start getting squeezed for playing time. At this stage he fits at 2B and corner outfield, and there's no playing time for him at either position.

Both our left-handed bats - Tellez and Biggio - are getting squeezed out of the lineup.
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Re: BJs (8-10) @ Rays (10-9) - April 23-25 

Post#286 » by StringerBell » Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:34 pm

Taking 2 of 3 from the Rays in a series where Vlad and Bo go for 1/23 combined. I'll happily take it.
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Re: BJs (8-10) @ Rays (10-9) - April 23-25 

Post#287 » by LLJ » Sun Apr 25, 2021 10:54 pm

Winning a 1-0 game is not what I expected out of any Jays-Rays game.
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Re: BJs (8-10) @ Rays (10-9) - April 23-25 

Post#288 » by Fairview4Life » Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:25 pm

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Re: BJs (8-10) @ Rays (10-9) - April 23-25 

Post#290 » by Schad » Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:52 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:Because it’s a continuation of the same pattern of decision making I’ve disliked about the manager and this organization the past few years. When you never make decisions based on game context at all and only look at the averages, that’s when you end up pulling a dominating Matt Shoemaker in a playoff game (or worst case scenario, your dominating ace in a WS game 6 a la Kevin Cash).

When you micromanage every game this way, you also end up overusing all of your RPs by July too.


Bullpen overuse is certainly a legitimate concern, though it's worth noting that, while we're getting a lot of innings from our relievers, we really haven't leaned heavily on any individual out of the 'pen; Dolis was our leader in relief IP entering today, in a tie for 66th in the league, and he's on pace for a pretty unspectacular appearance/IP total. The opposite -- that in cycling through relievers, we end up with less-than-ideal guys in high-leverage -- is also a potential concern, but it's hard to argue with the results given that the bullpen to date not only has among the best results overall, but among the best high-leverage results, despite yesterday.

Montoyo's a bad manager, but I don't have any broad criticism of the handling of the bullpen this year. It's basically the only thing holding the team together, and none of the injuries seem to owe to overwork.
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Re: BJs (8-10) @ Rays (10-9) - April 23-25 

Post#291 » by The_Hater » Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:58 am

Wo1verine wrote:
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Wo1verine wrote:Can we play Espinal full time at 3B? At least for the next little bit ?

Espinal will be gone on Tuesday I expect when Springer returns. It’s too bad because it’s beyond obvious he’s a better fit as a utility player than Panik (who is just a miscast 2B and incapable of playing on the left side on the infield).

I’m hoping it’s Davis that’s gone personally.

Replace an OF with an OF.


Yup, and Biggio has the versatility to play the OF so we’re fine.
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Re: BJs (8-10) @ Rays (10-9) - April 23-25 

Post#292 » by TR50 » Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:03 am

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Re: BJs (8-10) @ Rays (10-9) - April 23-25 

Post#293 » by vaff87 » Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:25 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
vaff87 wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:Always nice to needlessly pull relievers who are dominating mid-inning.


How can you criticize Charlie for that move? Yandy Diaz has pretty distinct lefty/righty splits both this year and in his career.

Because it’s a continuation of the same pattern of decision making I’ve disliked about the manager and this organization the past few years. When you never make decisions based on game context at all and only look at the averages, that’s when you end up pulling a dominating Matt Shoemaker in a playoff game (or worst case scenario, your dominating ace in a WS game 6 a la Kevin Cash).

When you micromanage every game this way, you also end up overusing all of your RPs by July too.


But in this situation it was clearly the right move. Just look at Borucki’s numbers vs righties compared to lefties. And Diaz and Arozarena’s numbers vs lefties compared to righties. This was a pretty standard common sense move, imo.
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Re: BJs (8-10) @ Rays (10-9) - April 23-25 

Post#294 » by dagger » Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:33 pm

With the number of off-days we've been having, it's hard to make a case for bullpen overuse. (Dolis also managed to get four outs on six pitches yesterday :) )
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Re: BJs (8-10) @ Rays (10-9) - April 23-25 

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