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Im not sure about this move at all! The way he is throwing out there you have to take the chance and leave him out even if hes on a short leash! He cant be happy about that either, game of his life and they yank him.

They yank him and then Frasor gives up the solo homer.

Sweet f*ck, Gibbons, you really blew it this time.

To be honest, I'm only following the game via online boxscore updates... but I was still pissed when Frasor came out in the seventh. I mean, seriously. A no-hitter through six... and then the reliever gives up a jack to break the goose-egg.

Let's go, Blue Jays.

Brutal! then Frasor gives up the homer. Marcum may have been getting up or above what the jays wanted him to throw, but 78 pitches isnt a huge workload either.

wow, if this is true (which it apparently is), this is just sad..... are the jays becoming the laughing stock of the league?

heemer wrote:Brutal! then Frasor gives up the homer. Marcum may have been getting up or above what the jays wanted him to throw, but 78 pitches isnt a huge workload either.

It's not, considering how he was pitching. Sure, he had two walks the previous inning, but he probably still could've started off the next inning. If he's not throwing strikes for the first batter, yank him then... but at least give the guy a shot.

evilRyu wrote:wow, if this is true (which it apparently is), this is just sad..... are the jays becoming the laughing stock of the league?

I believe KC still holds that dubious honour.

The Jays are going no where with that goof running the show. For the first time this season, there was actually a reason to tune in and that idiot pulls him.

Annnnd Tallet gives up a run in the top of the ninth.

I bet the Jays go 1-2-3 to end the game.

RingItUp! wrote:Annnnd Tallet gives up a run in the top of the ninth.

I bet the Jays go 1-2-3 to end the game.

Nop! that mistake by Tallet hurts a lot now...

He was on a pitch count.... it does not matter if he has perfect game, you leave him out there and risk of injury goes way up. Obviously nobody needs that. Frasor sucks though but thats another story and Tallet does not know how to cover first base.

Are you guys kidding me it was a good move he is a RP who hasn't pitched much this year. He wasn't going 9 anyways so it makes no difference if he was taken out after 6. Yea it would be nice to get a no hitter but you don't want to risk him for future starts.

Triple M wrote:Are you guys kidding me it was a good move he is a RP who hasn't pitched much this year. He wasn't going 9 anyways so it makes no difference if he was taken out after 6. Yea it would be nice to get a no hitter but you don't want to risk him for future starts.

that may be, but you have a guy out there pitching just about as well as anyone possibly could, and you turn him over to a very very shoddy set of relievers. Unsuprisingly, the pen blows it and we lose. Who didnt see this coming?

And on a similar note, how does Tallet have a roster spot? in his 1+ seasons with the Jays now i have yet to witness him do anything productive!

I wasn't around to lock this earlier so I'll let it go, but for future reference, anything like this really belongs in the series thread.

Marcum was on a pitch count. You can't have a reliever come in and throw 100 pitches in his first start. Start him at 70-75 (or lower), then gradually work him up with each start. It's unfortunate that 1) he had a no-hitter, and 2) the Jays couldn't score a run until the 9th, but it's better to be safe than sorry.

On that note, it seems Marcum is unhittable at Rogers Centre. Last year, his home numbers (42.2 IP, 2.74 ERA) were insanely better than his road numbers (35.2 IP, 7.82 ERA). Now he throws a six inning no-hitter at home. Not to mention his K rate has surprisingly stayed constant with his minor league rates. He seems a bit too HR prone, but other than that, his ratios are encouraging.

I don't really care about this pitch count stuff because with the way the Jays have been playing, Gibbons should have left him in. It was only 78 pitches. If it had been 98 I could understand.

It's not like his arm would have fallen off or something if he was left in. I hate Gibbons...

"it is only 78 pitches"

that is a lot of pitches for a RP who hasn't started. He seem to already be losing some of his zip walking 2 baters in the 6th and that is from a pitcher who doesn't walk alot of batters.

Michael Bradley wrote:
On that note, it seems Marcum is unhittable at Rogers Centre. Last year, his home numbers (42.2 IP, 2.74 ERA) were insanely better than his road numbers (35.2 IP, 7.82 ERA). Now he throws a six inning no-hitter at home. Not to mention his K rate has surprisingly stayed constant with his minor league rates. He seems a bit too HR prone, but other than that, his ratios are encouraging.

Not surprising, young pitchers are often like that. Chacin was very much like that, and to some degree still is.

I don't have a problem with Marcum sitting after his pitch count. There have been no-hitters in the past thrown by 2 or 3 pitchers. Frasor gave up a homerun. The real problem was the offence not coming through after they got a quality start.

As for Marcum himself, I'm always worried about pitchers with herky jerky windups. Casey Janssen is the same. I have no doubt that guys who have unnecessary motions in their windup are prone to those times when they just inexplicably lose control of the strike zone.