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He's 35 and has 424 homeruns.

If he gets to 500, he should get STRONG consideration. Especially considering he is one of the only sluggers from his era that has absolutely no link to steroids.

But to be honest, the American media will overlook him. If I was a betting man, I would say he doesn't get in.

If he gets to 500 he'll be in IMO. I don't know of any 500+ homer guy who isn't in other than McGwire/Palmeiro....who was on the roids....or suspected of being on them. Or the already active players like Thomas, Griffey, Sosa, Bonds, Arod etc.

will robbie alomar get in?

i hope he gets in!

Alomar is a shoe in as far as I am concerned. Stark of ESPN put him right behind Hornsby and Morgan for all time 2nd basemen.

Delgado is iffy. Because of the "steroid era", where 500 was a shoe-in before, it may jump to 550. 0 MVPs, maybe twice with solid voting, barely any postseason success, not a strong defender - he would be on the outskirts. I mean if Andre Dawson cant get in....

whosthebosh? wrote:Alomar is a shoe in as far as I am concerned. Stark of ESPN put him right behind Hornsby and Morgan for all time 2nd basemen.

Delgado is iffy. Because of the "steroid era", where 500 was a shoe-in before, it may jump to 550. 0 MVPs, maybe twice with solid voting, barely any postseason success, not a strong defender - he would be on the outskirts. I mean if Andre Dawson cant get in....

He can get to 550 can't he? He'd have to hit about 30 or so HR's a year until he's 41...That's do-able, no?

Semi-doable. He isnt the slugger he used to be, and if he stays until he is 41 just to reach 550, then that nice career batting average will drop severely.

whosthebosh? wrote:Alomar is a shoe in as far as I am concerned. Stark of ESPN put him right behind Hornsby and Morgan for all time 2nd basemen.

Delgado is iffy. Because of the "steroid era", where 500 was a shoe-in before, it may jump to 550. 0 MVPs, maybe twice with solid voting, barely any postseason success, not a strong defender - he would be on the outskirts. I mean if Andre Dawson cant get in....

Ding ding ding. A very good, long career, but (to borrow from baseball reference) he lacks the black ink of major awards to get in. I think he needs to be a leader (at least an earlier series, but probably WS MVP) on a Series winning team to put his name above the relative plethora of other guys getting 500 these days.

Alomar will definitely make it. He apparently said he wants to go in as a Blue Jay, so that's really our only hope for a Jay going in.

Delgado is iffy. The 500 HR mark is not what it used to be, and his lack of individual (MVP) and team success is not helping him either.

All this "MB agreeing with me" is seriously forcing me to take a big look in the mirror to find out whats wrong :lol"

I honestly don't think Delgado will make it. Alomar will, no doubt.

Unless Delgado is able to turn back the clock over the next few seasons or lead the Mets to the WS, I don't see him getting in. And, to be honest, I'm not sure he's Hall-calibre. He had some awesome seasons with the Jays... but the team wasn't good. Since leaving, he's been a solid slugger, but his production really seems to be falling off this season.

Delgado's 162 game avg (according to baseball-reference.com) for his career puts him at 38 HRs and 120 RBIs, batting .280. Dawson's career 162 game avg. was 27 HRs and 98 RBIs, batting .279. Dawson stole way more bases, averaging just under 20 for his career, struck out way less (93 per-162 vs. 140 per-162 for Delgado), walked less (90 BB per-162 for Delgado vs. 36 for Dawson).

Dawson also won more hardware: an MVP in 1987, RoY in 1977, 8 All-Star game appearances, and was twice MVP runner-up. Delgado, by comparison, hasn't won an MVP award or a RoY, and has appeared in the ASG only twice.

If Delgado's decline started this season and he doesn't get back to 35 HRs and 120 RBIs, I can't see him making it in.

Dawson was also one of, I would say, the top 3 defensive outfielders for his generation.

Delgado's only been to the ASG twice? Weird. Was his big season in '05 all after the break?

whosthebosh? wrote:Dawson was also one of, I would say, the top 3 defensive outfielders for his generation.

While Delgado was in no way a defensive standout at 1st.

(Which is one of the reasons I thoroughly enjoy watching Overbay on the current Jays squad.)

Modern_epic wrote:Delgado's only been to the ASG twice? Weird. Was his big season in '05 all after the break?

I was surprised, too. Perhaps we look at Delgado through Jays-coloured glasses. He was one of few bright lights during the lean late 1990s... and early 2000s... along with Clemens (who I hadn't learned to hate) and the emergence of Doc.

NB. I was going to point out 1998 as a 'lean' year. Then I looked up the stats. It's hard to believe that team only finished in third place. Delgado and Green hit 38 and 35 homers respectively, and Jose Canseco hit 46 (!). Clemens won the triple crown. Chris Carpenter, Halladay and Escobar were on the team. Hentgen was two years removed from his Cy Young. Shannon Stewart, Jose Cruz and Green were patrolling the OF.

I guess a thin bench, light-hitting infield, and one of the best Yankees teams of all-time conspired to destroy that team.

EDIT - And, the 1998 squad stole bases like crazy - 184!

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I was surprised, too. Perhaps we look at Delgado through Jays-coloured glasses. He was one of few bright lights during the lean late 1990s... and early 2000s... along with Clemens (who I hadn't learned to hate) and the emergence of Doc.

NB. I was going to point out 1998 as a 'lean' year. Then I looked up the stats. It's hard to believe that team only finished in third place. Delgado and Green hit 38 and 35 homers respectively, and Jose Canseco hit 46 (!). Clemens won the triple crown. Chris Carpenter, Halladay and Escobar were on the team. Hentgen was two years removed from his Cy Young. Shannon Stewart, Jose Cruz and Green were patrolling the OF.

I guess a thin bench, light-hitting infield, and one of the best Yankees teams of all-time conspired to destroy that team.

EDIT - And, the 1998 squad stole bases like crazy - 184!

Ya, I'm sure we do, but I was expecting at least double that. I really can't see why he didn't make it in 2005, but that's looking at the whole season, and I'm kinda surprised he didn't make it in one of '98, '01, '02.

As for '98, while the big three sounds impressive now, lets not forget that Carpenter was the only one who came close to living up to potential here, and even that wasn't near his Cy Young stuff.

Delgado has no shot. 500 home runs is not enough anymore.


Only way he can get in is if he leads Mets to a championship and maybe wins a World Series MVP. Then he'll be so overrated by NY media that he might have a shot.