RealGM

Another possible option out there is Carlos Delgado. He's playing his way out of NY according to the NY papers.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04262008/sp ... 108197.htm

He's definitely played poorly this year you have to wonder how much of that is the NY spotlight which he apparantly hates. He loved playing in Toronto and never wanted to leave here and that might rejuvinate him. Plus he's only 35 years old and hit 38 HR's just 2 seasons ago so I'm not convinced that he's lost it.

So why not send Overbay for Delgado and the Mets will probably even eat part of CD's contract to make this happen?

I'd love to get Delgado back here and to have him end his career with the Blue Jays. I too don't think he's lost it because he's been playing at a level below 100% since last season.

I don't think the Jays would deal Overbay though.

That is one ugly contract but I would Love to see him back. I could see JP making a move like that to try and save this team this year. I would certainly be excited to see him back...I think it would give the fans something to cheer about.

Get er done JP!!

rkid wrote:I'd love to get Delgado back here and to have him end his career with the Blue Jays. I too don't think he's lost it because he's been playing at a level below 100% since last season.

I don't think the Jays would deal Overbay though.

You think that Overbay is untouchable? He had a solid 2006 season but has been quite average/below average since then. He was one of the worst offensive 1B in baseball last season.

Overbay makes the most sense as NY will need a 1B to replace him and Toronto his worth diminishes if we add Delgado. Remember that Stairs can play 1B also.

The_Hater wrote:Another possible option out there is Carlos Delgado. He's playing his way out of NY according to the NY papers.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04262008/sp ... 108197.htm

He's definitely played poorly this year you have to wonder how much of that is the NY spotlight which he apparantly hates. He loved playing in Toronto and never wanted to leave here and that might rejuvinate him. Plus he's only 35 years old and hit 38 HR's just 2 seasons ago so I'm not convinced that he's lost it.

So why not send Overbay for Delgado and the Mets will probably even eat part of CD's contract to make this happen?

Delgado is in my top-3 favourite Blue Jays of all-time...but I doubt that I would give up Overbay and cash to return him to the fold.

That being said, his peripherals are better than his basic stats; strikeout rate of roughly 1 in 5 and decent walk totals though his power numbers are dwindling. He won't sport a BA/Bip of .216 for the entire season, regardless of his decline. If the Mets wanted only a second-tier prospect and ate a small portion of his salary, I'd welcome him back with open arms. However, I don't think that the Jays can afford to unload one offensive weapon to get an older offensive weapon, as much as it hurts me to turn down any Delgado trade.

Nobody thinks Delgado lost it because he hit 38 HRs 2 seasons ago, but then a lot of people were on the Rolen bandwagon saying that Glaus won't be the power hitter he was 2 seasons ago when he also hit 38.

The fact of the matter is that we had our big bat...and Riccardi traded it away. Glaus only has 1 homerun through April but a league leading 12 doubles tells me that he still his ability to drive that ball. We really could have used Glaus's clutch hitting in April but instead his timely hitting and 21 RBIs were helping St. Louis.

That's one way to spin it Holmes. But Glaus does only have that 1 HR, he's hitting only .260 and has a weak .755 OPS. The reason he has 21 RBI's is primarily opportunity. The first 4 bats in the St. Louis lineup have OBP's of .400, .390, .523 and .372 and Glaus bats 5th.

Rolen's OPS is 1.065 and he's much better than Glaus defensively. It's early but thus far, this trade has been the least of our problems.

I vote no to Delgado. If we get someone, to help with this year, we need someone who we believe can come in and be effective right away. We don't need someone who's trying to regain form. If we were going to wait, we might as well have waited for Thomas.

The_Hater wrote:That's one way to spin it Holmes. But Glaus does only have that 1 HR, he's hitting only .260 and has a weak .755 OPS. The reason he has 21 RBI's is primarily opportunity. The first 4 bats in the St. Louis lineup have OBP's of .400, .390, .523 and .372 and Glaus bats 5th.

Rolen's OPS is 1.065 and he's much better than Glaus defensively. It's early but thus far, this trade has been the least of our problems.

Yeah its true that Glaus sports a weak .755 OPS (only Rios and Stairs have a higher OPS) and one homerun through April. But as I said, he also sports a league leading 12 doubles and knowing the speed at which he runs, it leads me to believe that he still has that power stroke.

You are right that Glaus has had more opportunities with the guys batting in front of him like Pujols and his ridiculous walk ratio. But when people are on base the batter still has to do his part in driving them in. Glaus has been that guy for St. Louis that comes up with the clutch (i hate that word) hits when runners are in scoring position. And whats the problem with our offense? Our deplorable rate of driving in guys in scoring position. Glaus's extra basehits would have also been key in getting guys home from 1st as well.

Rolen is off to a relatively good start but at the end of the day, as Sean Deveney kind of alluded to in his SN article about John Gibbons a few days ago, Glaus has 21 RBIs while oft-injured Rolen has 20 something at-bats. Our complete lack of an offense has already dug us an ugly hole by the end of April.

I hope Rolen blows us away from here on out because I really want him to prove to me that the Glaus-Rolen trade was not the massive gaffe by Riccardi in the way that I think it was.

It would have been nice if we could have kept Glaus and moved him to first and then still acquired Rolen to play 3rd. But if Rolen continues to get hurt, that opinion might start looking pretty foolish too.

Holmes wrote:Nobody thinks Delgado lost it because he hit 38 HRs 2 seasons ago, but then a lot of people were on the Rolen bandwagon saying that Glaus won't be the power hitter he was 2 seasons ago when he also hit 38.

The fact of the matter is that we had our big bat...and Riccardi traded it away. Glaus only has 1 homerun through April but a league leading 12 doubles tells me that he still his ability to drive that ball. We really could have used Glaus's clutch hitting in April but instead his timely hitting and 21 RBIs were helping St. Louis.

But what good would Glaus be when:

A) He requested the trade

B) He is either playing hurt or on the DL for most of the season. The fact that he was playing hurt on the turf in TO was part of the reason he wasn't driving the ball like he did 2 seasons ago.

Banger_bro wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
But what good would Glaus be when:

A) He requested the trade

B) He is either playing hurt or on the DL for most of the season. The fact that he was playing hurt on the turf in TO was part of the reason he wasn't driving the ball like he did 2 seasons ago.

A)
Sub-point aa) If I recall it was only speculation that Glaus requested a trade which was quite different than the well documented request for trade from Scott Rolen.

Sub-point ab) Based on the speculation Glaus requested for a trade because he perferred to not play on turf. He was not requesting a trade because he was disgruntled. There's a big difference. Even if Riccardi held on to him I don't believe Glaus would whine and sulk until a trade was made.

B)
Sub-point ba) Yes, Glaus was playing hurt for the most of the season...so where does that put Scott Rolen? Rolen under went his third major surgery last year on the same shoulder. If anybody wants to talk about injury magnet its Rolen and not Glaus.

Sub-point bb) If you think the turf was sapping Glaus of his power then when do we talk about Rolen's shoulder and his power? If you look at HR totals between 2005-2007 Glaus destroys him 95 to 35 with a far superior .OPS.

But you know what, I've really beat what i think about this Glaus-Rolen trade to hell back when the trade was made and I really don't want to talk about it anymore. I just hope Rolen proves to me that Riccardi made the right trade and getting injured for the first 3 weeks in April ain't a good start.

[quote="Holmes"][/quote]

The thread was about acquiring Delgado as out power bat and your original point was that we had a power bat that Riccardi traded.

My question/point was that he requested a trade and didn't perform well in his second season on the Rogers Centre turf.

This isn't really about the comparing Rolen - Glaus.

He may not have requested the trade because he was disgruntled, and I do agree that he wouldn't have sulked as much as other players do. But after dealing with the aches and pains of playing on the Artifical turf and knowing that he could feel better on natural grass, that fact that he was still in TO would begin to impact his performance.

I do think the injuries that Glaus had last year were exacerbated by playing the TO turf, and it wouldn't have been any better this year. So the power bat that we had, would have been virtually useless.


For the record, if money isn't an object, I am all for re-aquiring Delgado. Him at DH would put this team at or near the top of the AL offesively. (Obviously just on paper, as we see now, they are crapping the bed bigtime).

2006: .238/.334/.471 (.806 OPS), 403 AB
2007: .235/.334/.394 (.728 OPS), 302 AB
2008: .234/.315/.390 (.704 OPS), 77 AB - in progress

Those are Troy's numbers against RHP since 2006. Rolen on a bad shoulder hit better against RHP the past two years, and probably will again this year. Once you factor defense, it's hard to complain about the deal from a player for player standpoint. Glaus will hit more home runs, but Rolen (if healthy) will likely be the more consistent hitter. Plus, at this rate, Glaus might be better off at 1B or DH.

I think the trade was done mostly because Rolen had three years left on his deal, as opposed to one and a player option for Glaus. The Jays have nothing in terms of 3B prospects in the minors other than Kevin Ahrens who just turned 19. It was a lazy way to get three years out of a known commodity without significantly increasing the payroll. I don't think it will make much of a difference in the long run, although Rolen is likely a much more highly regarded player around the league than Glaus, so it will probably be easier to move Rolen if he proves to be healthy and contributing.

As for Delgado, it's a nice thought, but don't count on it. I think Minaya will just hold on to him and hope he gets his stroke back.

Delgado has been hot as of late and it looks like he's found his power again. Just when Mets fans were starting to write him off, he's started to do better - which means the Mets would be less likely to give him up. Might change if they land Nady though.

Also, I don't think Carlos would want to leave a contender and would probably ask Minaya not to trade him.

We all loved Delgado, but seriously, there's no way in hell he should be brought back.

How do you expect this team to more forward if we're always looking back? Come on guys, bury your Delgado jersey and drop this nonsense.

LMAO @ complaining about Rolen for Glaus deal. Rolen is looking outstanding right now, and his defense is infinitely better than Glaus'.

If this organization (gibby & jp) can bring back Stewart then the Delgado return is possible.

I for one would love to see him in a Jay uniform again but these clowns runnin the jays have their heads up each others arses to figure a good move.