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Posted: **Wed Jun 4, 2008 6:58 pm**

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I'm usually over at the Raptors Forum, so I don't come here...at all.

How many 15-game winners do you think the Jays end up with when the year is all said and done with.

Halladay and Litsch are already on pace for 19ish
Marcum and Burnett are somewhere around 13.5ish
McGowan's on pace for 11.

So where do you think it all ends up, and who do you think will be the ones that do it?

Posted: **Wed Jun 4, 2008 7:14 pm**

Halladay will be the only one who gets it this year, though the rest could all end up with 12-14. I just think that the innings will pile up on our youngsters in the second half of the season and they'll slow down (next year will be scary though). Also, I think Burnett will be traded (well, I hope so anyway) so I'll leave him out of the discussion

Posted: **Wed Jun 4, 2008 7:27 pm**

Halladay i think (touchwood) will hit 15 easy.
But I think one of Marcum or Litsch will take keep it going (I'm thinking Marcum)

Then again, this all contingent on the basis that the Jays are able to produce even 4 runs a game.

Posted: **Wed Jun 4, 2008 7:40 pm**

stash wrote:Halladay i think (touchwood) will hit 15 easy.
But I think one of Marcum or Litsch will take keep it going (I'm thinking Marcum)

Then again, this all contingent on the basis that the Jays are able to produce even 4 runs a game.

I wouldn't bet against Marcum, but he definately wore down in the second half last year.

Actually if McGowan didn't have such bad luck I would bet on him. But we've wasted some really decent McGowan starts for 2 years now.

Posted: **Wed Jun 4, 2008 7:51 pm**

I'll say 2, maximum 3

Posted: **Wed Jun 4, 2008 8:29 pm**

Our starters have been the picture of health thus far but you can almost guarantee that a couple of them will miss a few starts before October.

Posted: **Wed Jun 4, 2008 10:30 pm**

Doc will reach 15, and either Marcum or Litsch. So, two 15 game winners.

Posted: **Wed Jun 4, 2008 10:41 pm**

Halladay - 18
Litsch - 15
Marcum - 15
McGowan - 13
Burnett - 12

Posted: **Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:49 pm**

The last time we had 3 15 game winners was in 1991. Stottlemyer, Key and Wells. If Guzman had pitched a full season that year he would have easily eclipsed 15 wins to make it 4 15 game winners.

Posted: **Thu Jun 5, 2008 1:34 am**

raps4life~ wrote:Halladay - 18
Litsch - 15
Marcum - 15
McGowan - 13
Burnett - 12

I hope I'm proved wrong, but I really do'nt know if Litsch can keep this pace up.

Posted: **Thu Jun 5, 2008 1:48 am**

evilRyu wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I hope I'm proved wrong, but I really do'nt know if Litsch can keep this pace up.

I agree. Those innings are really going to pile up in the second half... he'll fall off a bit ala Marcum last year. Still good for 13 wins, and hopefully another solid season next year.

Posted: **Thu Jun 5, 2008 4:08 am**

raps4life~ wrote:Halladay - 18
Litsch - 15
Marcum - 15
McGowan - 13
Burnett - 12

I think those are all off, Marcum aside. Doc will have a good year and he maybe reaches 15-16. Litsch has been descent, but he isn't going to steal enough games to get to 15. Unless he continues to benefit from a strong offense, he maxes at 12-13.

McGowan needs alot more consistency before he cracks the 15 mark. I think he'll also be a 10-14 kind of guy, but the potential is cetainly there.
Burnett I think will come on at some point this season. He's just got to good of stuff not too. I think he's the only one there who actually has a chance to surpass your numbers.

To answear the question. Doc and Marcum for sure, possibly AJ

Posted: **Sat Jun 7, 2008 7:36 pm**

Halladay: 19
Litch 16
McGowan: 15