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Johnson-

48 games
.265 batting avg
2 home runs
24 rbi's
.346 on base %

Stewart-

51 games
.240 batting avg
1 home run
14 rbi's
.327 on base %

Doesnt look like JP made a good decision so far.

Neither numbers are really that impressive IMO and now Wilkerson is getting the majority of PT, so look into the Johnson/Wilkerson (with TOR) comparisons..

Also, it's not the Shannon vs Reed discussion...it should be why the heck isn't Adam Lind up with the Big Club....this is attrocious, he's batting nearly .340 in AAA...he's already proved his worth, time to let him adjust....it's better than having Stew/Wilkerson out there IMO.

Wilkerson

25 games
.253 BA with Toronto
2 HR
13 RBI
.309 OBP

Terrible numbers from both of them, Bring Lind up already!

jalenrose#5 wrote:Neither numbers are really that impressive IMO and now Wilkerson is getting the majority of PT, so look into the Johnson/Wilkerson (with TOR) comparisons..

Also, it's not the Shannon vs Reed discussion...it should be why the heck isn't Adam Lind up with the Big Club....this is attrocious, he's batting nearly .340 in AAA...he's already proved his worth, time to let him adjust....it's better than having Stew/Wilkerson out there IMO.

Johnsons numbers might not be impressive but they are quite a bit better then what Stewart has put up and hes the guy we replaced Johnson witH so JP could save some money. He's also got just about as many RBI's as anyone in our lineup. Also why would I use Wilkerson as a comparison to Johnson seeing Johnson plays Left field and Wilkerson has been prodominantly in Right.

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Johnsons numbers might not be impressive but they are quite a bit better then what Stewart has put up and hes the guy we replaced Johnson witH so JP could save some money. He's also got just about as many RBI's as anyone in our lineup. Also why would I use Wilkerson as a comparison to Johnson seeing Johnson plays Left field and Wilkerson has been prodominantly in Right.

You can't be serious...haha, Wells is back playing CF, Rios is in RF....where does that leave Wilkerson...in LF...that's where he'll be playing for the rest of the year barring injuries....just like Johnson would be if he was playing here, use some common sense.

It's not Stew that I have the problem with, it's Lind playing his @ss off at AAA and not getting rewarded, we've got those guys up here batting under .250 and he's batting .330 plus with the Chiefs. Heck, I'd rather have Russ Adams up here than those two...he's got some pop oddly enough that the Jays desparately need.

Reed is not that much better than Stewart so I don't have a problem with the move. If you looked at averages last week, it would have made it look like Shannon was the better because his average was higher.

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You can't be serious...haha, Wells is back playing CF, Rios is in RF....where does that leave Wilkerson...in LF...that's where he'll be playing for the rest of the year barring injuries....just like Johnson would be if he was playing here, use some common sense.

It's not Stew that I have the problem with, it's Lind playing his @ss off at AAA and not getting rewarded, we've got those guys up here batting under .250 and he's batting .330 plus with the Chiefs. Heck, I'd rather have Russ Adams up here than those two...he's got some pop oddly enough that the Jays desparately need.

This is such a ridiculous argument seeing at the time when he chose Stewart over Johnson he had no idea that he would be eventually adding Wilkerson because of Injuries. This is purely a Johnson vs Stewart debate seeing how they were the two guys basically in fight for a starting spot. Also Wilkerson is only going to be playing LF now because Stewart got injured today or else at BEST he would be platooning with Stewart.

Johnson is a better player then Wilkerson anyways but I dont expect anyone to agree seeing its a popular thing to dump on a player as soon as he joins another team.

rkid wrote:Reed is not that much better than Stewart so I don't have a problem with the move. If you looked at averages last week, it would have made it look like Shannon was the better because his average was higher.

No there averages were basically even a week ago with Johnson having about 10 more rbis. Throw in the fact Johnson is a better fielder and has a better arm id say Johnson is a more valueble player then Stewart.

and if you want to bring in Wilkersons stats for some unforseen reason it also favours Johnson quite nicely.

Johnson-
.266 BA
.346 on base %

Wilkerson-
.240 BA
.309 on base %

So Reed is a lot more productive offensively. Now add in how much better his defense is and add the intangibles edge he has over Stewart, and this comparison isn't close.

Kosta wrote:So Reed is a lot more productive offensively. Now add in how much better his defense is and add the intangibles edge he has over Stewart, and this comparison isn't close.

I wouldn't say Reed's defense is that much better. Ever since he got that injury last year he has lost a lot of speed. They're both the same to me and having Reed wouldn't make us any better at the moment.

The catch he made earlier this season puts any injury he may have had aside. That was spectacular!

I would much rather have Reed than Stewart. He has the better arm, he's younger, and Stewart is on the decline.

Would he had made us any better? Maybe. One things for sure.. I would rather have Reed's .266 avg than Stewart's and Wilkerson's .240 BA right now.

also Reed in the last 10 games is 10/33 which equates to a .303 BA. He has been playing much better as of late.

Stewart in his last 10 games, is 6/35 which equates to a .171 BA. ouch!

I disagree with the person who said Reed and Stewart are the same defensively. Stewart probably has the worst arm in baseball, next to Johnny Damon.

I really don't care about this move though, both players are playing about the same, maybe Reed is a bit better, but both are scrubs.

Griff83 wrote:Johnson-

48 games
.265 batting avg
2 home runs
24 rbi's
.346 on base %

Stewart-

51 games
.240 batting avg
1 home run
14 rbi's
.327 on base %


Doesnt look like JP made a good decision so far.

Three key things to add here.

Defensively, Reed is a CF who can play all 3 OF spots while Stewart is basically a DH. Reed is also 3 years younger. Reed also kills LHP while Stewart is average. That makes Reed a perfect platoon partner with Stairs.

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I wouldn't say Reed's defense is that much better. Ever since he got that injury last year he has lost a lot of speed. They're both the same to me and having Reed wouldn't make us any better at the moment.

This nothing short of ridiculous. Stewart gets subbed out of LF defensively whenever Gibbons gets a chance even when the next best option is a career infielder like Joe Inglett. Reed has played primarily in CF for the Cubs this year and remains one of the best and most versitile defensive OF's in all of baseball. The difference between these two is huge.

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This nothing short of ridiculous. Stewart gets subbed out of LF defensively whenever Gibbons gets a chance even when the next best option is a career infielder like Joe Inglett. Reed has played primarily in CF for the Cubs this year and remains one of the best and most versitile defensive OF's in all of baseball. The difference between these two is huge.

You have a point there and I guess I should have put more thought into that. I just meant to say that Stewart's defense really hasn't been a problem so there was no point bringing it up as if having Reed out there would have won us those close games. Anyway Reed's starting to get platooned with Edmonds now - a guy who was cut by the Padres. I'll just wait til the end of the season to compare the two.

I just think Reed is a tad overrated in these parts... that and I'm a big Stewart homer so my opinions are going to be a little biased.

rkid wrote:
I just think Reed is a tad overrated in these parts... that and I'm a big Stewart homer so my opinions are going to be a little biased.

Don't get me wrong, I was never a huge Reed Johnson fan and hated it when he started (almost) every day and batted lead off. But he's a terrific 4th OF because he's fantastic defensive player that can play all 3 spots, he runs well and kills LHP.

At this point in his career I'm not even sure what Stewart still does well and I'm quite certain that he's below average in most things.

Not only that, but Stewart is also on the decline. His best years are behind him.

I would prefer to have Johnson in this lineup, than Stewart right now.

I'd prefer Lind, or some other youngster from the minors, to either of them.