Mustard_Tiger wrote:Nice, you know it's baseball season when I'm finally back in a baseball argument. What baseball/Blue Jays blogs/forums do you frequent? BattersBox would seem to be your style, but in my experience, that place takes itself a bit too seriously for its own good.
The only forum I'm registered on is, in fact, Battersbox, though I've probably made all of three posts there.
For info, THT, BP, Think Factory from time to time, Fan Graphs for stats, baseball.bornbybits for pitcher data when I could actually access their old player cards (their graphing is a large part of why I warmed to Marcum and haven't to Litsch, coincidentally), and thanks to Modern_epic bringing it to my attention through the General Board, Bart Given's blog Inside the Majors, which has some really fascinating insider stuff with a Jays' slant (good examples
here and
here). Other than perhaps the last one, basically the same stuff everyone else reads.
Hold on...if you are saying Litsch is a 4.00-4.50 ERA pitcher, then he is actually better than a "4th starter" according to the Hardball Times analysis I posted, even if he doesn't maintain last year's numbers.
That's the thing, though: I think it's quite possible that he regresses
more.
When nearly 50% of your batted balls are ground balls, you can expect a pitcher will have a lower than average BABIP. You know that.
Absolutely. Last year, though, his BABIP was better than Halladay's or Chien-Ming Wang's, basically the gold standards for ground ball specialists in the AL. That's why I mentioned them.
I'm not sure you understand what an average starting pitcher is in major league baseball. Because Jesse Litsch is most certainly not below average, even if he were to regress an entire run in ERA.
The only beef I have with the THT article you posted is the fact that it's not really looking only at the production you get from your 4th/5th starters, but from the production you get from call-ups
replacing your 4th/5th starters, either because they have been injured or have been bumped up in the rotation due to other injuries. In an ideal world where you didn't have to throw Toma Ohka-level dregs out there to pick up 10-20 starts annually, the values for the actual 4th starter would be well below what Sackmann details in that article. If Litsch checks in at 4.30-4.70 (which is what I'd expect) he's average overall and a notch above average as a starter. Exactly the type of guy a good team would like to have as their 4th starter.
As an aside, ERA league-wide has dropped 20 points in the two years since he wrote that (ridiculous, but true), which probably needs to be taken into consideration.
All of them expect him to maintain his ERA around 4.00, making him an above-average pitcher, and a "#2 guy" according to that previous analysis. And this isn't even really taking into account what a different pitcher he was after he came back from the minors with a four seamer last year. He was throwing harder, striking out more batters, dropping his HR/9, and even walking a few more (which is unlike the Litsch we've come to know). If he continues to pitch like he did in August and September, he may improve himself enough to maintain a mid 3 ERA, who knows...
I definitely hope so. But the net result of last year's improvements is that he still outperformed his numbers by a fair margin. You look at his Aug./Sept. numbers and see a trend that indicates improvement...I look at them and wonder if it's an aberration that they differ so wildly from his first 39 starts in the bigs.
Never doubt Cito. It's a rule. He knows all.
The last time I doubted him was when he kept Mench in to hit against Huston Street with runners on in the bottom of the 9th inning in some August game. And it worked out with a walkoff hit in the game. Never again will I doubt him.
I love Cito to death, with two exceptions: his insistence on a 'traditional' top of the order (two slap-hitting guys, then the muscle) even if it means having weaker hitters receive more ABs, and his damn-the-torpedos approach to the rotation. He'd be the perfect guy for a top team focused on this season and this season only. I'm less sold on him managing a 4th place team whose staff is already injury-ravaged.
I think he'll be fine. Just because he'll be throwing more innings, it doesn't mean his WHIP will go up. The kid is mentally tough, reminds me of a young Doc (without the great stuff of course).
Could well be. Litsch did look like an entirely different pitcher when he returned, much more willing to throw early strikes (especially with runners on), but also more confident in his ability to get guys out on his terms late in the count. It's possible that the Josh Towers Experience holds too much sway over my psyche...I guess this season will tell.