Surplus of Starters - Who would you trade and for what?

chargerxthirty · Post #1 » by **chargerxthirty** » Sat May 16, 2009 8:29 pm

Obviously we have a lot of starters, pitchers will go down as is normal.... but it's starting to look like we are going to have a wealth of starting pitchers, and quality starting pitchers.

If you were at the helm, who would be your ultimate starting rotation, who would you trade, who would you put in the bullpen and who would you trade for.

Here is my rotation when all are healthy

Doc
McGowan
Cecil
Marcum
Romero

I think that would be a deadly starting staff when healthy.
That leaves the following trading assets:

Brian Tallet
Jesse Litsch
Robert Ray
Scott Richmond
Casey Janssen
Brad Mills

In my perfect world I would like to keep Tallet + Janssen in the bullpen, and as spot starters.

That would leave me to trade Jesse Litsch+Robert Ray in a package for a left handed power bat. Perhaps even throw in something else. I wouldn't mind something like.

Jesse Litsch+Robert Ray+Vernon Wells for Carlos Beltran + filler.

The mets are in dire need of pitchers and Vernon Wells would offset the loss of Beltran plus make the salaries realistic.

Avenger · Post #2 » by **Avenger** » Sat May 16, 2009 9:04 pm

you missed David Purcey, i still want to give him some time, he has a future in the big leagues in my opinion

hyper316 · Post #3 » by **hyper316** » Sat May 16, 2009 9:08 pm

chargerxthirty wrote:Obviously we have a lot of starters, pitchers will go down as is normal.... but it's starting to look like we are going to have a wealth of starting pitchers, and quality starting pitchers.

If you were at the helm, who would be your ultimate starting rotation, who would you trade, who would you put in the bullpen and who would you trade for.

Here is my rotation when all are healthy

Doc
McGowan
Cecil
Marcum
Romero

I think that would be a deadly starting staff when healthy.
That leaves the following trading assets:

Brian Tallet
Jesse Litsch
Robert Ray
Scott Richmond
Casey Janssen
Brad Mills

In my perfect world I would like to keep Tallet + Janssen in the bullpen, and as spot starters.

That would leave me to trade Jesse Litsch+Robert Ray in a package for a left handed power bat. Perhaps even throw in something else. I wouldn't mind something like.

Jesse Litsch+Robert Ray+Vernon Wells for Carlos Beltran + filler.

The mets are in dire need of pitchers and Vernon Wells would offset the loss of Beltran plus make the salaries realistic.

instead of trading Wells, i'd package Overbay first, his contract would be easier to move

chargerxthirty · Post #4 » by **chargerxthirty** » Sat May 16, 2009 9:18 pm

wow I forgot purcey.... he looked so bad this season so far that I subconsciously excluded him. You're right though, he's worthy of the asset list. I just was .... shcoked at how bad his control was this year. His release point was awful and it seemed as though he couldn't fix it, even with constant reminders. He looked like he had a case of Rick Ankielitis, problem is, I bet he can't hit jacks or play center field like rick

Natural11 · Post #5 » by **Natural11** » Sun May 17, 2009 1:46 am

I wouldn't panic and trade a pitcher just because we have a surplus. It's likely we'll encounter further injury setbacks, so we'll probably need every arm we have. It's also likely that one or more of these kids will hit some type of wall eventually. Pitching wins championships and we're already in 1st place with a below average performance from Wells and Rios. Don't mess with what isn't broken.

Hendrix · Post #6 » by **Hendrix** » Sun May 17, 2009 2:36 am

In the future it might be an option. But as of right now I hav no idea really. I would like to see more of Cecil, and Romero before putting them into my future starting lineup. Just to small of a sample size, and minor league results make me a little nervous. And it's hard to telle xactly where Marcum, McGowan, Jansen etc... will be when they get back from injuries.

I would however love for that rotation to work OP. I would like to package Overbay, some pitchers, and Rios (when his vlue improves) possibly for a 1B, and an OF with some power/consitancy.

s e n s i · Post #7 » by **s e n s i** » Sun May 17, 2009 2:42 am

Package any two of those pitchers outside of CXT's rotation, throw in Lyle, GOOD TO GO! Preferrably for a power threat at 1B, Prince Fielder comes to mind.

dennistokyo · Post #8 » by **dennistokyo** » Sun May 17, 2009 7:50 am

I would pencil Cecil and Romero into the rotation long-term. Without a doubt. Big-time.

That's what you do with high draft picks when they give you six quality starts out of six combined. This making-it-up-as-we-go-along thing is pure bush-league. Yeah, Tallet has looked good in the rotation for the most part, but he's a reliever and he's needed in the bullpen. Yeah, Ray pitched a gem today, just thank God that he was facing Chicago. I figure the Jays got away with one because the White Sox can't hit. Yeah, Richmond has has solid outings and only two really bad innings, but they've come in his last two starts. If he's prone to big innings now that there's been some advanced scouting on him, I'd worry.

I'm not slagging the current staff off--they've been solid==but I do think that, with Romero healthy, one of them doesn't belong in the rotation.

youreachiteach · Post #9 » by **youreachiteach** » Sun May 17, 2009 11:02 am

Ricciardi is bsing (bullsh*tting). It's all related to scheduling.

Romero and Jannsen can't go this week because they'd be on short rest, and JP doesn't want to piss on the starters who have done a great job and have to pitch at least once before the new rotation can be organized--i think on the next off day near the Braves series.

He doesn't mean it. That's why he made the "check with me tomorrow" tongue in cheek thing. Next week Jansen will def. be in the rotation and Romero will be too if he dominates his next start (and Richmond continues to be underwhelming).

J-Roc · Post #10 » by **J-Roc** » Sun May 17, 2009 2:53 pm

I don't even want to think about this, but since you brought it up..... We need to see how Marcum and McGowan come back from injury. Will they be the same? Before their injuries, weren't we maybe hoping they'd get at least a notch better? Let's hope they come back strong.

Post #11 » by **J.Kim** » Sun May 17, 2009 3:36 pm

chocolateSensi wrote:Package any two of those pitchers outside of CXT's rotation, throw in Lyle, GOOD TO GO! Preferrably for a power threat at 1B, Prince Fielder comes to mind.

2 Fringe starters and a Doubles-hitting 1B for Prince Fielder? Are you kidding me? Ricciardi would get laughed out of the discussion.

youngLion · Post #12 » by **youngLion** » Sun May 17, 2009 3:51 pm

I'm not convinced that there's a deal on the horizon just yet but I think the priority has to be a young ss.

chargerxthirty · Post #13 » by **chargerxthirty** » Sun May 17, 2009 4:36 pm

I gotta be honest... I was thinking of it more last night, and I know you don't want to start guys clocks to early and all that fun stuff....

but I wouldn't exactly be opposed to moving around some of our bullpen players either. Theres a few guys that are really unreliable... perhaps at the end of this month we should consider stacking our whole pitching staff and put our 6-7 starters in the bullpen.

Something like...

Doc
Romero
Janssen
Cecil
Richmond

as the starters...

Then put Tallet back in the pen... put Ray in the pen and maybe even Litsch in there.

Then get rid of League and Camp cause they suck unless you can get value from them in a trade.

That would leave our pen pretty Strong.

Long relief

Tallet
Ray
Litsch

Specialists

Carlson
Downs (CP)
Ryan

Then we would still have pieces to shop.... Mills, Purcey... etc. We'd still have 2 guys we're counting on coming back (Marcum, McGowan)...

I think that gets rid of the junk in the pen.... gets young guys like Ray more exp and the chance to be part of a special team, AND lots of people to talk trade with in the offseason with the 2 starters coming back.

EventHorizon · Post #14 » by **EventHorizon** » Sun May 17, 2009 7:40 pm

Justin Jackson is our young SS, for now Scutaro and Mac will suffice.

Since we have a shot this year, it would make sense to trade for a power slugger and compete for the title.

Rios + Overbay + Romero for Fielder

TorontoSF · Post #15 » by **TorontoSF** » Sun May 17, 2009 8:07 pm

Missing another guy who is tearing it up in AAA. Fabio Castro. And putting Litsh and Ray in the bull-pen is absurd, they aren't meant for the bull-pen, even as long relievers.

hyper316 · Post #16 » by **hyper316** » Sun May 17, 2009 8:19 pm

maybe package some pitchers + 0ferbay for Aubrey Huff. I like Huff's production and his fist pumps.

edit: btw, Huff is in his Contract year making 8mill this year

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/0 ... 52760.html

SharoneWright · Post #17 » by **SharoneWright** » Sun May 17, 2009 8:34 pm

You literally CAN'T have too much pitching.

However, I might be persuaded to package an arm or 2 if it allows us to reverse the Wells contract mistake.

Raps in 4 · Post #18 » by **Raps in 4** » Sun May 17, 2009 9:23 pm

Hendrix wrote:In the future it might be an option. But as of right now I hav no idea really. I would like to see more of Cecil, and Romero before putting them into my future starting lineup. Just to small of a sample size, and minor league results make me a little nervous. And it's hard to telle xactly where Marcum, McGowan, Jansen etc... will be when they get back from injuries.

+1

chargerxthirty · Post #19 » by **chargerxthirty** » Sun May 17, 2009 11:04 pm

See thats bull....

"they aren't meant for the bullpen"

what kind of **** is that to say.

Tell me how someone can be relied on for 18 to 27 outs, but they aren't meant to come in and get 3 to 6 outs. makes no **** sense. Lots of people start out in the bullpen guy... why don't you ask Doc Halladay.

Raps in 4 · Post #20 » by **Raps in 4** » Mon May 18, 2009 2:24 am

chargerxthirty wrote:See thats bull....

"they aren't meant for the bullpen"

what kind of **** is that to say.

Tell me how someone can be relied on for 18 to 27 outs, but they aren't meant to come in and get 3 to 6 outs. makes no **** sense. Lots of people start out in the bullpen guy... why don't you ask Doc Halladay.

Marcum was a failure in the BP, but great as a starter.