SI article on trading Halladay

[Yuri Vaultin]

A pretty good article by Joel Sherman...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/joel_sherman/07/15/halladay.trade/index.html?eref=sihp

[J-Roc]

Interesting article. Bottom line is the Jays aren't winning while Halladay is here. But that means a rebuild. And any rebuild has to mean the GM goes. JP has done some good things, some bad. He's been here so long, we can't give him another chance here.

If Halladay goes, JP must go.

[evilRyu]

i do'nt feel comfortable having JP being in charge of trading arguably the best pitcher in the game.. but yes, Roy does deserve better

[Brinbe]

Yeah, don't have a lot of faith in JP in this process, but we have no choice but hope that he'll get it right. But if he f's this up, JP definitely needs to be shown the door. No doubt, him and his "5 year plan" need to vamoose. And we might as well try to bring back Gillick while we're at it haha (not entirely serious about that, but it would be awesome).

[RapsFanInVA]

I always thought the 5 year plan was a little generous. No more time, he's failed. It's just too tough to compete in the AL east. I don't know the solution, but if Halladay is getting traded we better be getting a Hanley Ramirez type return like in the Beckett to Boston deal.

[Avenger]

I don't think even JP can **** this one up. He shouldn't accept taking anything less than an Organization's top 3 prospects. One of them has to be a Pitcher capable of being atleast a number 2 starter down the road and the other two can be position players preferably in the infield excluding second base. Don't bite on the crap the Angels are offering us, we're better of keeping Halladay and trying to contend in 2010, if he leaves the compensation picks are better than what the Angels are giving us.

[Garmfay]

I always thought the 5 year plan was a little generous. No more time, he's failed. It's just too tough to compete in the AL east. I don't know the solution, but if Halladay is getting traded we better be getting a Hanley Ramirez type return like in the Beckett to Boston deal.

I agree. I would only trade Halladay for someone like Kershaw

[Hoopstarr]

By saying you don't want JP around for the rebuild (it's not a rebuild by the way), I can only assume you want someone like Gord Ash who traded John Olerud for Robert Person, David Wells for an injured Mike Sirotka, Michael Young for Esteban Loaiza, among others. JP has never made a bad trade ever that I can think of, in fact he has nailed almost every trade he has made. If you want to complain about JP, there a much better things to complain about, like failed FA signings.

[SDM]

By saying you don't want JP around for the rebuild (it's not a rebuild by the way), I can only assume you want someone like Gord Ash who traded John Olerud for Robert Person, David Wells for an injured Mike Sirotka, Michael Young for Esteban Loaiza, among others. JP has never made a bad trade ever that I can think of, in fact he has nailed almost every trade he has made. If you want to complain about JP, there a much better things to complain about, like failed FA signings.

To be fair, the Jays were in the process of being sold at that time and Ash was told to sell for prospects. It was a fire sale, and other teams knew it. That said, Sirotka looked like a decent pitcher before that trade. Ash fudged up the medical discovery of that trade. Agreed though, the remainder were flops, especially the Loaiza deal, when we weren't even close to contention.

JP is unable to find a direction for this team. First, he went Moneyball, then he went with free agency, now he's griping about unbalanced schedules. While a lot has to be left unsaid with how it comes to ownership, JP cannot put together a truly successful team and his inability to find what works has wasted the best years of the finest pitcher to put on a Jays uniform. There's too much meddling in the organization (Wells contract, for example) for someone with JP's makeup to be successful. The team needs to either get committed to winning, regardless of what division their in, or GTFO to a city that will support the team, win or lose. I've seen one great player get wasted. I'm not prepared for any more. Now, don't go off telling me that I'm not a true fan. I breathe baseball, especially Blue Jays baseball, but the best thing to do when you love something that's dying, is to pull the plug.

[J-Roc]

By saying you don't want JP around for the rebuild (it's not a rebuild by the way), I can only assume you want someone like Gord Ash

I'm pretty sure you didn't mean for that to be a line of reasoning.

With JP, he's had many years to build a winner and hasn't been able to do it. If we're rebuilding, with any GM, you need to let him start the process and finish it. What would make you think JP Ricciardi is capable of building a winner? He's had a chance to rebuild a team from scratch (the Jays), and hasn't been able to do it. Why would you want to sit through anotther JP rebuild, which you'd expect would take several years?

Forget Gord Ash. He had his chance too. Get someone who's either done it already, or give someone else a chance.

[Garmfay]

Jon Heyman at SI tweets that the Mets rejected a package of Fernando Martinez, Bobby Parnell, Jon Niese and Ruben Tejada for Halladay."

Are you fricking serious? If JP offered that then this man needs to be fired. Not even top pitching prospects in Holt, Mieja