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The Cubs also have talked to the Toronto Blue Jays about bullpen pitchers. Former Oak Forest High School pitcher Jason Frasor is on the Cubs' radar. Frasor was a starter at Southern Illinois for four years.

Frasor to Cubs?

I really think trading Jason Frasor could help this team down the road. They really don't need guys like Frasor and Downs this year with the influx of losses we'll be receiving, so why not trade them while their value is probably at its highest.

I don't know what we can get off the Cubs for Frasor, but its another option for AA to make a deal with.

Also just to add, it may be a real good prospect that we get too.

Trading Frasor, who is a FA at the end of the year, means the team that gets him gets a great bullpen pitcher, plus probably 1 or 2 high compensation picks in the draft. You would have to think we'd be getting one of the Cubs Top 10 prospects.

Gimme Hak-Ju Lee (he can be traded now, unless I've lost my mind) and the Cubs can have him. Anything less and I'd be less inclined to deal, simply owing to the comp picks...the bar for reaching Type-A won't be that high for him next year.

Schadenfreude wrote:Gimme Hak-Ju Lee (he can be traded now, unless I've lost my mind) and the Cubs can have him. Anything less and I'd be less inclined to deal, simply owing to the comp picks...the bar for reaching Type-A won't be that high for him next year.

Hak-Ju (will his nickname be Sneezy?) does look very good. It says something that the Cubs are even considering moving Starlin Castro to 2B to utlize Lee's D at SS. He's also apparently lightning fast and has a very good bat to boot.

Hoopstarr wrote:

Schadenfreude wrote:Gimme Hak-Ju Lee (he can be traded now, unless I've lost my mind) and the Cubs can have him. Anything less and I'd be less inclined to deal, simply owing to the comp picks...the bar for reaching Type-A won't be that high for him next year.

Hak-Ju (will his nickname be Sneezy?) does look very good. It says something that the Cubs are even considering moving Starlin Castro to 2B to utlize Lee's D at SS. He's also apparently lightning fast and has a very good bat to boot.

Yes to Sneezy, a thousand times yes. Now I'll trade anyone for him.

This will be interesting to see, not only with Frasor but with Downs as well. Ricciardi almost always let players leave via free agency to get draft picks. Let's see if AA values the picks or is more likely to swing deals for prospects. Of course it depends on what the other team wants to give up as well.

Schadenfreude wrote:

Hoopstarr wrote:

Schadenfreude wrote:Gimme Hak-Ju Lee (he can be traded now, unless I've lost my mind) and the Cubs can have him. Anything less and I'd be less inclined to deal, simply owing to the comp picks...the bar for reaching Type-A won't be that high for him next year.

Hak-Ju (will his nickname be Sneezy?) does look very good. It says something that the Cubs are even considering moving Starlin Castro to 2B to utlize Lee's D at SS. He's also apparently lightning fast and has a very good bat to boot.

Yes to Sneezy, a thousand times yes. Now I'll trade anyone for him.

it really depends on the offer you get for frasor though.

I am sure Alex would love to make a deal with the Cubs, they have a ton of promising shortstop in their system and its time we add one to our system, all we have is fringe guys like Pastornicky and Jackson. Its also obvious that the Cubs are looking at everyone in our bullpen, not just frasor, one guy isn\t going to fix their bp problems. A package of Frasor/Downsie + Tallet/Richmond plus Cash could get us someone decent. Maybe we could even throw in someone like Brad Mills or Purcey to get a little more value value

Schadenfreude wrote:

Hoopstarr wrote:

Schadenfreude wrote:Gimme Hak-Ju Lee (he can be traded now, unless I've lost my mind) and the Cubs can have him. Anything less and I'd be less inclined to deal, simply owing to the comp picks...the bar for reaching Type-A won't be that high for him next year.

Hak-Ju (will his nickname be Sneezy?) does look very good. It says something that the Cubs are even considering moving Starlin Castro to 2B to utlize Lee's D at SS. He's also apparently lightning fast and has a very good bat to boot.

Yes to Sneezy, a thousand times yes. Now I'll trade anyone for him.

+1. officially aboard the "sneezy" bandwagon.

Sneezy 100%

I was of the understanding that Frasor is unlikely to be a type a.

Packaging Frasor with players, prospects or cash - as was suggested above - would be a welcome way to add a truly quality piece.

TJ Caino wrote:Sneezy 100%

I was of the understanding that Frasor is unlikely to be a type a.

Packaging Frasor with players, prospects or cash - as was suggested above - would be a welcome way to add a truly quality piece.

If Frasor has a similar season to last year, he is a lock for type A. The problem is a lot of type A relievers end up taking arbitration because most teams don't want to give up those valuable picks for relief pitchers.

IMO if the Raps can turn any of their mature established relievers into legit top of the order SS, or CF if they can't get SS prospects, than the future starts to look like it's really taking shape.

satyr9 wrote:IMO if the Raps can turn any of their mature established relievers into legit top of the order SS, or CF if they can't get SS prospects, than the future starts to look like it's really taking shape.

He he

OldNo7 wrote:

satyr9 wrote:IMO if the Raps can turn any of their mature established relievers into legit top of the order SS, or CF if they can't get SS prospects, than the future starts to look like it's really taking shape.

He he

Bargnani is the new closer for the Jays

Well, I gotta do it now...

All-time Raptors baseball team

C - Darrick Murray - Short, fat, stocky bald man with a decent arm and some leadership ability
1B - Chris Bosh - He's tall. He's left-handed. Great rebounding instincts will come in handy at the corner
2B - Alvin Williams - The heart and soul of the team always makes the big plays.
SS - Doug Christie - The best defender in team history has to play the premium defensive position.
3B - TJ Ford - Moody, fragile guy has a great arm and very quick reflexes.
LF - Kevin Willis - How fun would it be to see him field this position with his T-rex wingspan?
CF - Vince Carter - Best athlete on the team. Endless range. Throw it up and he'll get it. Later in his career, he will become obviously crappy, but will hold on to the position based on reputation.
RF - Damon Stoudamire - He'll like the corner. Most potheads do.

SP - Tracy McGrady - The former high school pitcher says baseball was his first love. His tall, wiry build with whip-like delivery is perfect for the staff ace.
SP - Andrea Bargnani - Tall, enigmatic righty will pound the strike zone when he's on. When he's off, he's Rick Ankiel with marinara stains on his uniform. One huge flaw is he gets into awful fielding position after his delivery.
SP - Rasho Nesterovic - The first ever switch-pitching starter. Batters will be utterly confused by his delivery. Amazingly, he will have zero career balks. Unlike Dice-K, he actually throws a Gyro ball...in 4 dimensions. I don't even know what that means.
SP - Jose Calderon - Efficient innings-eater who won't make mistakes but won't do anything special either.
SP - Anthony Parker - This crafty 15 year vet has huge hands that allow him to grip and locate the ball in places Greg Maddux can only dream of. Unfortunately, this old man's star is fading and he serves more as a mentor to the young arms.

RP - Joey Graham - This reliever either has it or he doesn't. Use at your own peril.
RP - JYD - Junkyard Dog's energy is best utilized in short bursts
RP - Oliver Miller - Don't be fooled by the Rich Garces physique. Dude has electric stuff.
LOOGY - Jalen Rose - LOOGYs have to be lefties and I was running out
Setup man - Morris Peterson - Nothing flashy. Just comes to work and does his job.
CL - Michael Stewart - Every team needs an overpaid closer

Manager - Charles Oakley. Because he said so.
Trainer - Keon Clark

Hoopstarr wrote:Well, I gotta do it now...

All-time Raptors baseball team

CF - Vince Carter - Best athlete on the team. Endless range. Throw it up and he'll get it. Later in his career, he will become obviously crappy, but will hold on to the position based on reputation.

lol! you mean what Vernon Wells is now!

Hoopstarr wrote:Well, I gotta do it now...

All-time Raptors baseball team

Awesome. I have to make a team out of players you didn't use.

C - Rafael Araujo. Seriously, you think a ball is getting past that?
1B - Charles Oakley. Great defense despite the fact that he hasn't taken more than three steps on a groundball since the Eisenhower era. Broke Ty Cobb's record for most second baseman mortally spiked.
2B - Chris Childs. Considered a good defensive player before getting a bit Steve Sax-y, but best known for throwing the ball into the stands with two outs...in the ALCS.
3B - Jason Kapono. When he was signed, he was touted for his ability to put runs on the board in a hurry. Mostly bunted.
SS - Rafer Alston. Came into the league with a reputation for his spectacular hands and creative fielding. Once fought BJ Birdie in the middle of a game. And lost.
LF - Mike James. Holds a MLB record, having been caught stealing 65 times in a year. Justifies it by stating that you get caught stealing 100% of the time you don't steal. Isn't bothered by the fact that his statement is fundamentally ridiculous.
CF - Pape Sow. Athletic freak whose diving attempts at flyballs made him a fan favourite. Couldn't hit worth a lick, and once fans realized that he never actually caught the ball, his ticket out of the league was punched.
RF - Kris Humphries. Gorgeous uppercut swing, never met a breaking ball he couldn't miss by three feet, or a flyball he could catch.
DH - Antonio Davis. Takes a mighty swing every time, but more often than not it's his bat that ends up in the stands.


SP - Muggsy Bogues. Crafty veteran...throws 75, but there isn't a pitch known to man that isn't in his repertoire.
SP - Lamond Murray. Prized acquisition who was supposed to be the #2 starter the team had never had. Didn't happen. Eventually released after crowds complained about the thunderclaps generated when his rolls of pudge collided on every pitch.
SP - Milt Palacio. As anyone who has seen him shoot knows, he throws a mean knuckleball.
SP - Marcus Camby. Tremendous stuff, traded before he could put it all together.
SP - Charlie Villanueva. Wait, isn't he already pitching for the Brewers?


RP - Rafael Araujo. People used to think he was a headhunter...until they realized he simply had no idea where the ball was going.
RP - DeMar DeRozan. Blistering fastball, but no one knows whether he'll add much beyond that.
Setup - Hakeem Olajuwon. He might be 75 years old, but he can still sneak the odd pitch by you.
CL - Patrick O'Bryant. Because when he comes into the game, you know it's over.

lol, what did I start?

Schadenfreude wrote:CL - Patrick O'Bryant. Because when he comes into the game, you know it's over.

That's saving the best for last.

Ah, I forgot the DH. I'd have Davis too, but he'd probably whine about his kids having to grow up watching a league with the DH and then force a trade to the NL.

^^

Interesting that Araujo is tabbed for 2 MLB positions, when he had trouble holding down just 1 in the NBA - LOL - He still tantilizes though doesn't he?

Beware, Schad! Don't over-estimate his abilities! McCloskey fell into the same trap!

But while we're at it, I'm for Joey Graham as utility infielder... "Mr. Versatility"