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Jays interested in Delgado
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:26 am
by fame
From Rotoworld
The Mets have seen Carlos Delgado (hip) play twice in the Puerto Rican Winter League and have not been impressed with the way he's moving.
According to Ed Price of AOL Fanhouse, the Blue Jays have also been scouting him and "might be [the] more likely landing spot." Delgado hit .298/.393/.521 with four home runs and 23 RBI last year in the 26 games he was healthy. He is expected to ink an incentive-packed one-year deal.
From Ed Price' Twitter
#Mets have seen Delgado twice in P.R. & will look once more. He is not moving well. #BlueJays saw him, might be more likely landing spot.
Re: Jays interested in Delgado
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:48 am
by Hoopstarr
Yes yes yes yes yes
Re: Jays interested in Delgado
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:01 am
by rapsfan1231
No thanks, at this point in his career(especially after the surgery), he is not much of an improvement over randy ruiz... rather just keep the team the way it is and keep a spot available for brett wallace to join the jays...
Re: Jays interested in Delgado
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:11 am
by northernpuppy
rapsfan1231 wrote:No thanks, at this point in his career(especially after the surgery), he is not much of an improvement over randy ruiz... rather just keep the team the way it is and keep a spot available for brett wallace to join the jays...
That's the dumbest rationale. Do you think Wallace is going to come and play 1st right away? If anything, Wallace would have to wait a year or until we deal Overbay.
I say sign Delgado as the DH and move Lind to LF with Bautista serving RF. In fact doing so would essentially facilitate Overbay on his way out quicker.
Re: Jays interested in Delgado
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:57 am
by Geddy
If he is 100% healthy then i wouldn't mind him back here as the full time DH. If his hip is good then he would be worth it because he knocked out 38 just two seasons ago.
I just hope he gets a full time DH role on any AL team to be honest. I want him to get to 500 HR and over 1700 RBI. A couple more full seasons should do it.
Re: Jays interested in Delgado
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:03 am
by Avenger
He was pretty good last year but with us he might end up becoming dead weight like Frank Thomas
Re: Jays interested in Delgado
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:12 am
by Relentless88
If it's cheap and incentive-based, then I say why not?
Re: Jays interested in Delgado
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:32 am
by youngLion
Relentless88 wrote:If it's cheap and incentive-based, then I say why not?
Because he might take ABs away from younger guys like Wallace.
Re: Jays interested in Delgado
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:27 am
by OldNo7
Even though we are going young, we still need a leader in the locker room. Especially one that has been here though some down times, like he has. Platoon DH vs RHP = perfect fit.
Besides, why not have him here when he hits #500, the same place where the majority of his career bombs have come?
Re: Jays interested in Delgado
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:51 pm
by Duffman100
last time Delgado was here , Vernon Wells was amazing.
enuf said.
Re: Jays interested in Delgado
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:39 pm
by Schad
Duffman100 wrote:last time Delgado was here , Vernon Wells was amazing.
enuf said.
Heh, the last time he was here:
- Only four Blue Jays put up an OPS+ of 100 or better with the team. They were: Frank Menechino, Carlos Delgado, Russ Adams, and Vernon Wells. In that order. Yes, Frank Menechino was our best hitter.
- The Jays used 25 pitchers. Only four had ERAs below 3.75, regardless of the number of innings they pitched. They were: Frank Menechino, Brandon League, Gustavo Chacin, and Dave Bush. Yes, Frank Menechino was our best pitcher, too.
Man, we sucked.
Re: Jays interested in Delgado
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:55 pm
by LieCheatSteal
I doubt, as it stands right now, Wallace starts the season with the team. The Jays need to play E5 and Overbay in order to get anything back for them. Benching these 2 now lowers their trade values significantly. Once one of them is moved, then yes, Wallace would be called up. Probably by midseason.
Delgado will bat 4th and Lind will bat third, because he prefers it. Wallace will get his ABs in due time. And what's to assume that Delgado will last the entire season with the Jays? If he plays well, I can see a team trade for Delgado to get a veteran bat of the bench (ie Stairs 2 years ago, Thome last year by the Dodgers).
For the record, I don't really mind the Jays picking up stopgap position players (Buck, Gonzalez, maybe Delgado). I prefer this as opposed to playing players at these positions that are clearly not ready (ie Arencibia/Jeroloman, Jackson). By midseason, I predict that a good percentage of the roster will be flipped for prospects (Richmond, Frasor, Downs, Janssen, Buck, Gonzalez, E5, Overbay, Bautista, MacDonald, Delgado if signed).
Re: Jays interested in Delgado
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:37 pm
by youngLion
Schadenfreude wrote:Duffman100 wrote:last time Delgado was here , Vernon Wells was amazing.
enuf said.
Heh, the last time he was here:
- Only four Blue Jays put up an OPS+ of 100 or better with the team. They were: Frank Menechino, Carlos Delgado, Russ Adams, and Vernon Wells. In that order.
Yes, Frank Menechino was our best hitter.- The Jays used 25 pitchers. Only four had ERAs below 3.75, regardless of the number of innings they pitched. They were: Frank Menechino, Brandon League, Gustavo Chacin, and Dave Bush. Yes, Frank Menechino was our best pitcher, too.
Man, we sucked.
This is a little bit much don't you think? Sure the team was bad, but Frank Menechino was decidedly not the best anything. Even Wells had 23 homers and a .272 average. I think we'd all take that from him in a second this year.
Re: Jays interested in Delgado
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:42 pm
by PowerHouse
Sign Delgado, and Platoon him at 1B with Overbay, and DH with Lind/Ruiz/Snider
Opening night
CF - Wells
2B - Hill
LF - Lind
1B - Delgado
3B - Encarnacion
DH - Ruiz
RF - Baustista
SS - Gonzales
Re: Jays interested in Delgado
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:53 pm
by MGD24
PowerHouse wrote:Sign Delgado, and Platoon him at 1B with Overbay, and DH with Lind/Ruiz/Snider
Opening night
CF - Wells
2B - Hill
LF - Lind
1B - Delgado
3B - Encarnacion
DH - Ruiz
RF - Baustista
SS - Gonzales
I would still rather Snider start over Bautista, and you need a catcher lol
Re: Jays interested in Delgado
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:45 pm
by Morris_Shatford
I like it,
I can appreciate that you guys have the means the get excited at "growth" and "development" but I like the majority of the city will have a hard time stomaching terrible baseball and losing season of epic proportion.
Delgado was another name in a long list of (non-NHL) athletes who have left the city for money reasons, or wanting to win reasons.
It would be a nice coup for the fans to have a name they recognize in the line-up from time to time.
Re: Jays interested in Delgado
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:57 pm
by Schad
youngLion wrote:This is a little bit much don't you think? Sure the team was bad, but Frank Menechino was decidedly not the best anything. Even Wells had 23 homers and a .272 average. I think we'd all take that from him in a second this year.
His .272/.337/.472 slash line and 105 OPS+ that year was nothing special, especially as 2004 was near the tail-end of the league-wide power binge...and OPS of .993 ranked 10th that year, where in 2009 it would have been comfortably 4th. The Menechino thing is largely just a piece of trivia that I've always enjoyed; he was a god for 276 plate appearances that year, and out of baseball a year later.
As for Delgado, I'll never be unhappy to see him in the lineup, but I have no idea why we would need him...we have more than enough 1B/DH candidates at the moment, and with Cito Gaston as our manager it's a stone-cold lock that he'll get far more at-bats than would be prudent, barring injury.
Re: Jays interested in Delgado
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:30 pm
by LBJSeizedMyID
If it's an incentive laden deal, why the heck not. Worse comes to worse, he sucks up the joint, retires as a Jay, and warm fuzzy feelings all around.
The even better scenario is he rips it up, gets dealt to a contender for a good prospect, which is the ulterior motive here I believe.
Re: Jays interested in Delgado
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:44 pm
by J-Roc
Broken down. But I guess we should have a special place in our hearts for the "best hitter in Blue Jay history"??
Re: Jays interested in Delgado
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:02 pm
by Modern_epic
Schad hit the nail on the head. Everyone clamouring for Delgado seems to be forgetting that the Manager is at the helm. Which means that he can be penciled in for 600 ABs, even if he has an OPS of .600. The risk isn't the money; it's the playing time.